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Tell HN: OpenAI brings back 5 hour limit for plus and business standard users

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Re: Tell HN: OpenAI brings back 5 hour limit for plus and business standard users

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Post by MikhailTal »

skybrian wrote: post #72
cj wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s good to be aware when you’re buying something that’s subsidized. No need to downplay the importance of awareness.

Aware of what, though? We don't actually know OpenAI's profit margins on inference. Do we need to know? It's enough to know that the market is competitive and new models with better prices are released often. This means you should have a way to switch models.

Aware that this is essentially a soon to be deprecated service. As any vendor you need to know the life expectancy of it, plus forecast/predict any pricing changes. You really do not want to become dependent. Even if competitors exist, there still some non trivial cost to switch

Re: Tell HN: OpenAI brings back 5 hour limit for plus and business standard users

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Post by edoceo »

TuxSH wrote: post #95
solenoid0937 wrote: post #26

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I hope everyone recognized the cheap tokens as a transparent ploy to gain more users before jacking up prices. This was obvious from day one.

It was obvious indeed, but damn does it feel good to have ridden the May 25 - Aug. 26 gravy train. Now, let's see how the Anthropic IPO goes.

I'm going to predict: soft, below first-trade price at 180d from IPO date.

Re: Tell HN: OpenAI brings back 5 hour limit for plus and business standard users

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Post by dgellow »

gruez wrote: post #64
fny wrote: post #36

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I hope everyone recognizes they aim to make you dependent on their intelligence rather than your own.

But there's open models that are (pessimistically) 1 year behind? It's not like if openai decided to rugpull everyone, we'd be going back to writing code by hand and all the developers who forgot how to fizzbuzz would be screwed.

Open weight models are way closer to frontiers than that

Re: Tell HN: OpenAI brings back 5 hour limit for plus and business standard users

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Post by mrweasel »

flir wrote: post #37
solenoid0937 wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I hope everyone recognized the cheap tokens as a transparent ploy to gain more users before jacking up prices. This was obvious from day one.

Or more efficient models/faster hardware close the gap between here and profitability. I wouldn't be surprised if every $10 you add to the subscription cost halves your audience.

That boils down to who the customers for ChatGPT really are. $10 isn't going to make a difference for those who already pay, because they are basically pro-consumers. OpenAI might deliver enterprise solutions for large companies, but those deals are besides the per month subscriptions on the website.

For ChatGPT I really only see two customer groups, pro-consumer and small and medium enterprise. The entry level are just going to use Google/Gemini for the most part, or some ad supported ChatGPT tier. There's no price low enough to make the entry level, average consumer pay for an AI service. These are people who will not pay for search, email and social media. They only pay for streaming because there's no way around it.

Re: Tell HN: OpenAI brings back 5 hour limit for plus and business standard users

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Post by dgellow »

madaxe_again wrote: post #61
solenoid0937 wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I hope everyone recognized the cheap tokens as a transparent ploy to gain more users before jacking up prices. This was obvious from day one.

Or to just give users enough usage to find categories in which it is useful for them. I pay the $200/mo., and don’t regret it for an instant - I have a project manager, an executive assistant, a business analyst, a software developer and an international accountant, for an absolute song.

you’re using an LLM as your international accountant? And brag about it online? That’s definitely a choice

Re: Tell HN: OpenAI brings back 5 hour limit for plus and business standard users

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Post by benterix »

gruez wrote: post #64
fny wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I hope everyone recognizes they aim to make you dependent on their intelligence rather than your own.

But there's open models that are (pessimistically) 1 year behind? It's not like if openai decided to rugpull everyone, we'd be going back to writing code by hand and all the developers who forgot how to fizzbuzz would be screwed.

> we'd be going back to writing code by hand

Well, as as SWE who writes code by hand and has no intention to outsource their intelligence to any entity, I felt slightly offended by "back".

Re: Tell HN: OpenAI brings back 5 hour limit for plus and business standard users

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Post by alpineman »

ttul wrote: post #60

My goodness, the complaining... Just get all your devs a $200 ChatGPT Pro (20x) plan. Yes, you lose the "team" component, but you gain so much more. And what's $200 against the salary of a good developer? It's absolutely inconsequential, even in far cheaper non-US salary regimes.

Sam, is that you?

Re: Tell HN: OpenAI brings back 5 hour limit for plus and business standard users

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Post by rgbrgb »

cj wrote: post #65
skybrian wrote: post #58

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Your cheap cynicism makes OpenAI's lower prices sound like a reason to avoid using them, but that's backwards! It's a better strategy to use them now while prices are low and switch later if necessary. Nobody knows who will have the best prices later, so better to decide later.

It’s good to be aware when you’re buying something that’s subsidized. No need to downplay the importance of awareness.

agree and underscores the idea that you should keep your setups portable between model providers by using external memory systems and connector gateways

Re: Tell HN: OpenAI brings back 5 hour limit for plus and business standard users

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Post by nightski »

benterix wrote: post #106
gruez wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But there's open models that are (pessimistically) 1 year behind? It's not like if openai decided to rugpull everyone, we'd be going back to writing code by hand and all the developers who forgot how to fizzbuzz would be screwed.

> we'd be going back to writing code by hand Well, as as SWE who writes code by hand and has no intention to outsource their intelligence to any entity, I felt slightly offended by "back".

Are you a member of a team? Then you are the outsourced intelligence. Your manager is not writing everything by hand, they are outsourcing it to you. Just understand that may change (I mean I am already mentally prepared for it to be a thing of the past within years). If you are purely writing software for hobby/fun then disregard, nothing will stop you from doing that.
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