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I'd say their description is fair. We don't have a word for vegan+fish. Pescetarianism includes eggs, milk, etc. So they're precisely vegan, with fish.
Except veganism is not a diet, but an ethical framework. The diet is a consequence, not the definition.
We need to collectively evolve as a species past intensive industrial animal confinement. To think, we can be more compassionate and don't need to sacrifice our health, and may in fact be able to live healthier!
I'm curious how problems like this would be dealt with in a vegan world. Just let the cats loose on the local rodent and bird population, maybe?
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I won't bore you with a litany of habits that I disapprove of, because I am not stupid enough to believe that you care about what some random on the Internet riding a high horse thinks of you.
Murder isn't a habit unless you are a psychopath.
Now apply to other people whatever mental gymnastics it took you to forgive yourself, and leave us be. kthxbye
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Except veganism is not a diet, but an ethical framework. The diet is a consequence, not the definition.
What is the term for the vegan diet sans the ethical framework? If there isn't one, that kinda sucks.
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Sorry for not being perfect like you. For ethical reasons, I do not consume dairy or meat (except for fish). The vegan community should be more open to other perspectives, especially when someone is actively making an effort towards reducing harm. Vegan Puritanism is totally antithetical to our collective goal of reducing animal suffering. Rather than being motivated by the prospect of claiming moral superiority, our…
It's not really a moral issue, it's simply the definition of the word. Using an incorrect term to describe yourself knowing it is incorrect can be perceived as virtue-signaling or claiming your own moral superiority. For example, one could ask "why call yourself a vegan if you eat fish?". There's no policing body here, but people are rightfully calling the double-standard out here. Edit: Would also love to hear the e…
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Sorry for not being perfect like you. For ethical reasons, I do not consume dairy or meat (except for fish). The vegan community should be more open to other perspectives, especially when someone is actively making an effort towards reducing harm. Vegan Puritanism is totally antithetical to our collective goal of reducing animal suffering. Rather than being motivated by the prospect of claiming moral superiority, our…
It's not puritanism. You haven't grasped the ethical system if you don't understand that vegans view this as murder. Why should veganism have exceptions when we don't have exceptions for murder, rape, beating children? Most of us view animal exploitation at the same level.
Should the study filter out people who eat entirely plant-based for reasons other than ethics. because according to you, that’s not a true vegan diet.
I think you are largely correct that veganism is a lifestyle, not a diet. But in the context in which my comment was made, it was perfectly reasonable for me to say “vegan except for fish,” because the study was analyzing veganism as a diet, not as an ethical lifestyle.
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It's not puritanism. You haven't grasped the ethical system if you don't understand that vegans view this as murder. Why should veganism have exceptions when we don't have exceptions for murder, rape, beating children? Most of us view animal exploitation at the same level.
If someone adopts a vegan diet purely for health reasons, are they not a true vegan? They haven’t accepted the moral framework that killing animals is wrong. Should the study filter out people who eat entirely plant-based for reasons other than ethics. because according to you, that’s not a true vegan diet. I think you are largely correct that veganism is a lifestyle, not a diet. But in the context in which my commen…
What you are talking about is the Plant Based Diet, which minimizes but doesn't fully exclude animal products, and is not an ethical framework.
You might as well say "I eat Kosher except for pork". It's nonsense.
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Murder isn't a habit unless you are a psychopath.
For how many years did you consume the mangled corpses of sentient beings before you went vegan? How can you live with yourself knowing what you have done? Now apply to other people whatever mental gymnastics it took you to forgive yourself, and leave us be. kthxbye
There is no forgiveness, I feel fully guilty.
You project your mental gymnastics. Make assumptions based on your own cognitive dissonance. It's obvious which view is the simple and consistent one.
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If someone adopts a vegan diet purely for health reasons, are they not a true vegan? They haven’t accepted the moral framework that killing animals is wrong. Should the study filter out people who eat entirely plant-based for reasons other than ethics. because according to you, that’s not a true vegan diet. I think you are largely correct that veganism is a lifestyle, not a diet. But in the context in which my commen…
No, veganism is by definition an ethical framework, a term and movement created in the UK in the early 20th century, by the Vegan Society, which still exists, and has a very specific exact definition on their webpage that hasn't changed. What you are talking about is the Plant Based Diet, which minimizes but doesn't fully exclude animal products, and is not an ethical framework. You might as well say "I eat Kosher ex…