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Re: Tell HN: OpenAI brings back 5 hour limit for plus and business standard users

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post #36

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I hope everyone recognized the cheap tokens as a transparent ploy to gain more users before jacking up prices. This was obvious from day one.

I hope everyone recognizes they aim to make you dependent on their intelligence rather than your own.

I reject your intelligence and substitute my own?

Re: Tell HN: OpenAI brings back 5 hour limit for plus and business standard users

#44

Once they capature enough marketshare prices and restrictions are both going to skyrocket. The difference between the subscription usage and API pricing are stark.

This is interesting to think about. There's so much competition among the frontier labs and from outside via open source it just doesn't seem obvious to me they could maintain elevated prices

Ya, setting aside any judgement about what's "right", this strategy doesn't seem profitable. There's no real moat between one model/provider to another, switching is relatively easy. I don't understand how this is supposed to work for them.

It strikes me as similar to UPS / USPS / Fedex -- everyone uses the mail, and they mostly use whichever is cheapest for their requirements. I don't think there's much loyalty to specific services, and people are happy to switch between the options

Re: Tell HN: OpenAI brings back 5 hour limit for plus and business standard users

#45

Once they capature enough marketshare prices and restrictions are both going to skyrocket. The difference between the subscription usage and API pricing are stark.

This is interesting to think about. There's so much competition among the frontier labs and from outside via open source it just doesn't seem obvious to me they could maintain elevated prices

You’re going to get multiple tiers (as we already are). You’re always going to pay top dollar for frontier models, but you’re going to find things highly discounted if you’re willing to move off the frontier. See GLM 5.3 Flash, for instance.

Re: Tell HN: OpenAI brings back 5 hour limit for plus and business standard users

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I hope everyone recognized the cheap tokens as a transparent ploy to gain more users before jacking up prices. This was obvious from day one.

They won’t be able to. Open models exist and run on a Mac you can buy now or in October.

please point me to an open model, that matches astra even on low reasoning, and runs on a mac

Re: Tell HN: OpenAI brings back 5 hour limit for plus and business standard users

#47
post #17

People should realize by now that they aren't giving out thousands of dollars worth of compute in a $20 subscription out of the goodness of their hearts. The base level plans aren't meant for any kind of serious work beyond the equivalent of Google searches. At best treat it like a trial.

I thought it was always about us being the RL. We pay less because they use our usage to train their models.

Re: Tell HN: OpenAI brings back 5 hour limit for plus and business standard users

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I hope everyone recognized the cheap tokens as a transparent ploy to gain more users before jacking up prices. This was obvious from day one.

They won’t be able to. Open models exist and run on a Mac you can buy now or in October.

Sorry but this is a pretty delusional take. No, you cant run the same level or even close to that level of model on a mac, not even on a 512gb studio. You can run good models sure, but not models anywhere close to the capabilities of these ones yet, despite what idiots on Twitter keep spouting.

Re: Tell HN: OpenAI brings back 5 hour limit for plus and business standard users

#49

Once they capature enough marketshare prices and restrictions are both going to skyrocket. The difference between the subscription usage and API pricing are stark.

This is interesting to think about. There's so much competition among the frontier labs and from outside via open source it just doesn't seem obvious to me they could maintain elevated prices

It should seem obvious they are seeking governmental intervention to limit “unaligned, or unsafe” alternatives.

Re: Tell HN: OpenAI brings back 5 hour limit for plus and business standard users

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is interesting to think about. There's so much competition among the frontier labs and from outside via open source it just doesn't seem obvious to me they could maintain elevated prices

Ya, setting aside any judgement about what's "right", this strategy doesn't seem profitable. There's no real moat between one model/provider to another, switching is relatively easy. I don't understand how this is supposed to work for them. It strikes me as similar to UPS / USPS / Fedex -- everyone uses the mail, and they mostly use whichever is cheapest for their requirements. I don't think there's much loyalty to s…

just dont fall in love with goofy memory style features and its likely gonna be fairly easy to just plug and play whatever model for a ton of use cases.

I dont see a lot of love for weird memory like features on HN, but on provider subreddits its constantly talked about.

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