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Smartphone makers don't bother to comply with EU repairability requirements

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Re: Smartphone makers don't bother to comply with EU repairability requirements

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All you really need are easy to replace batteries. That’s the only part that will wear out within a reasonable lifecycle. Aside from FairPhone no one offers that

> All you really need are easy to replace batteries. That’s the only part that will wear out within a reasonable lifecycle.

This is far from true. Power connectors.

Re: Smartphone makers don't bother to comply with EU repairability requirements

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The President of the United States is openly posting fascist shit regularly. Yesterday: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politic... The image literally says "inspired by Starship Troopers". Which was inspired by fascism and Nazi uniforms in particular. > if you want to see a real fascist regime Is it not worth looking at how such regimes got there? Maybe as a preventative? Do we have to wait for i…

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> An objectively good and very stylish film. It is like 30 years old and still grate to watch.

Yes, it's a great satire. You get problems when, as with The Boys' Homelander, people apparently can't figure out who the bad guys are.

> And what exactly does it change? Are you afraid that particular type of pants will make people Nazi or what?

I am afraid of people who are super into the Nazi aesthetic, yes, especially when they run the country I live in.

> The government get to many tools to influence every aspect of citizens' lives, and then uses those tools to get rid of all opposing voices. That is far more relevant to the Europe than to the US.

Have you been in a coma the last few years?

Re: Smartphone makers don't bother to comply with EU repairability requirements

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Hint hint to what? South Korea is a very dynamic, tech heavy country and it hasn't managed to push any software product as a market leader. The EU is bigger, but it's fractured, so functionally it's basically 2-3x South Korea in terms of "software power". And that's not enough to compete with the much larger US juggernaut. Only China has managed to hold its own by simply banning US software all together. I'm actually…

Europe had the opportunity to create a silicon valley 30 years ago. They fumbled it so badly that most euro tech talent went to the US and worked or even founded their companies there. They still have not (and likely never will) implement the general reforms needed to create fertile grounds for tech to compete with the US. If the current EU mindset existed 150 years ago, they would have banned steam engines because t…

We shouldn't really want a silicon valley. See how much trouble the US has trying to get meta to stop abusive practices to minors.

Not having a silicon valley is a good thing.

Re: Smartphone makers don't bother to comply with EU repairability requirements

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> Nobody who wants to bootstrap a business wants to deal with any of this. It's an enormous time sink. Indeed but it forces you to answer these questions and to think about them during the development process as well, maybe even enough to write decent unit and regression tests for anything authentication/authorization related before some security "researcher" siccs Claude Code or whatever on your API and pwns it.

You assume that the business is about developing software and will have a public facing API. That's a very narrow perspective. The vast majority of businesses aren't this. Even a plumber who types up offers and invoices on a computer is subject to all of this mess.

> Even a plumber who types up offers and invoices on a computer is subject to all of this mess.

Yeah and that plumber has 1000s of customer names, addresses, phone numbers, mail addresses, in Europe maybe even SEPA Direct Debit data.

Not funny if that kind of stuff leaks, especially not if you're, say, a person with a public register block due to domestic violence or whatever (basically, one step before witness protection that gives you a whole new identity).

Re: Smartphone makers don't bother to comply with EU repairability requirements

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Powerbank: Works with all phones, Doesn't require you to shut down and take your phone apart, Can be charged with a regular phone charger. Spare battery: ???

I really, really don’t want to carry a second clunky device around with me.

And extra batteries aren't?

Re: Smartphone makers don't bother to comply with EU repairability requirements

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You will actually find European HN users who will unironically say that we should have never started using fossil fuel engines at all.

Let's assess that opinion in a hundred years. Maybe they're just Michael Burrys.

Both of you, have fun fighting non existant 0.001% strawmen.

Re: Smartphone makers don't bother to comply with EU repairability requirements

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Batteries always have a limited lifetime. "back in the day" we had waterproof phones with user replacable batteries, you could just buy another battery and replace it yourself. I have no idea why we can't do this now.

Were they waterproof? I certainly don’t remember my Nokia 3210 being even splash resistant. > I have no idea why we can’t do this now For better worse I think the answer is quite simple - a combo of ease of manufacturing, a long term trend of slimmer devices that is broadly supported by customer behaviour, and an extra place to suggest a device upgrade instead of a repair. You’re more than able to get pretty much any…

Waterproof phones with replaceable batteries existed, but they used more rubber and other tricks to pull it off. This had the advantage of making it a lot easier to close the phone again and still keep the water resistant properties.

Having replaced the battery in my old phone, I sure understand why people don't "choose" to do so. The battery itself is worth maybe 20 bucks but the labour and tools required to replace it cost much, much more.

Compared to spending 30 bucks on a secondary battery back in the day, things sure have gone downhill since the days of user-replaceable batteries.

Re: Smartphone makers don't bother to comply with EU repairability requirements

#128

All you really need are easy to replace batteries. That’s the only part that will wear out within a reasonable lifecycle. Aside from FairPhone no one offers that

> All you really need are easy to replace batteries. That’s the only part that will wear out within a reasonable lifecycle. This is far from true. Power connectors.

Screens too

Re: Smartphone makers don't bother to comply with EU repairability requirements

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You assume that the business is about developing software and will have a public facing API. That's a very narrow perspective. The vast majority of businesses aren't this. Even a plumber who types up offers and invoices on a computer is subject to all of this mess.

> Even a plumber who types up offers and invoices on a computer is subject to all of this mess. Yeah and that plumber has 1000s of customer names, addresses, phone numbers, mail addresses, in Europe maybe even SEPA Direct Debit data. Not funny if that kind of stuff leaks, especially not if you're, say, a person with a public register block due to domestic violence or whatever (basically, one step before witness prote…

Thousands of customers? Your numbers are out of touch with reality.

Re: Smartphone makers don't bother to comply with EU repairability requirements

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> Nobody who wants to bootstrap a business wants to deal with any of this. It's an enormous time sink I doubt anybody wants to deal with fire safety inspections either. Though I'm quite sure you will change your mind when your personal data gets hacked or your office burns down.

Some of my personal data has leaked. Some of it has to be public because of some laws. Fire safety is less onerous and less complex.

> Fire safety is less onerous and less complex.

If there is one thing that is incredibly complex, it is fire codes - in no small part because these vary from town to town, or to be more precise, the height of their portable ladder trucks. Once you build higher than these, you have to plan for a second escape route.

That's not that bad of a thing if you work exclusively in one area... but good luck if you operate across the nation or, worse, internationally because everyone does things a liiiitle bit differently.

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