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I refused to train the AI that could replace me

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Re: I refused to train the AI that could replace me

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What's with the generic comments on this post? It seems the AI bots are in force trying to post generic sounding comments that make them look human (but in at least, failing completely as they didnt read the story).

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Re: I refused to train the AI that could replace me

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My belief is that humans need to struggle through the process of learning to code, learning maths etc. in order to actually build the neural pathways to do the hard things AI can’t do yet. I feel some skills atrophying for me, and I worry even more for the younger people who will never get the chance to think without AI. Another concern I have is that computers don’t need to be “generally superhuman” to replace 90%+…

What are the hard things AI can't do yet, then? Are you sure we shouldn't rather spend time getting better at, say, playing the piano? Assuming we're allowed to prioritize that in a world where the rich have all the money. (Looking at the local flow of money, I can't avoid the conclusion that my wages come indirectly mostly from the building of an extreme luxury product for an extremely rich person.)

Honest answer, building and maintaining a large complex project over many years. We have plenty of examples of one-shots like the 1000x slower gcc, but those don't see updates after they achieved their advertisement goal.

Maybe a little more philosophical, novelty. You can ask an LLM to write in the style of but afaik the results are bad when you ask it to write in a novel style no-one has seen before.

Re: I refused to train the AI that could replace me

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Increased productivity is nothing to sneeze at even if you work the same amount of hours. The real problem with AI is that the productivity benefits are focused with the owners and not the workers.

> The real problem with AI is that the productivity benefits are focused with the owners and not the workers. What makes you think so? What evidence do we have one way or another?

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Re: I refused to train the AI that could replace me

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

What are the hard things AI can't do yet, then? Are you sure we shouldn't rather spend time getting better at, say, playing the piano? Assuming we're allowed to prioritize that in a world where the rich have all the money. (Looking at the local flow of money, I can't avoid the conclusion that my wages come indirectly mostly from the building of an extreme luxury product for an extremely rich person.)

Honest answer, building and maintaining a large complex project over many years. We have plenty of examples of one-shots like the 1000x slower gcc, but those don't see updates after they achieved their advertisement goal. Maybe a little more philosophical, novelty. You can ask an LLM to write in the style of but afaik the results are bad when you ask it to write in a novel style no-one has seen before.

Fair enough, but I don't think that's something fundamental. Agentic AI hasn't been around for many years, and many of its most enthusiastic adopters have, shall we say, attention issues, so I don't think it's odd that we don't have long term maintained wholly AI-coded projects yet.

Lack of novelty in creative tasks is largely a product of how we deliberately train them to not surprise us. AIs from a few years ago, of the sort Janelle Shane wrote about, were puny compared to today's. But they weren't instruction tuned, so they had plenty of chaotic creative energy.

Re: I refused to train the AI that could replace me

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People have objected to training their replacements since forever. Younger people, foreigners, now machines. What else is new? I don't think you are under any moral or ethical obligation to train your replacement. But I don't think the decision makes much of a difference one way or another in the grand scheme of things. > You may ask: Why would anyone agree to train an AI model in the very skills they took years to a…

True, but those skills should be in an open-source model, not in a pseudo-open AI. That's a significant condition for me.

Re: I refused to train the AI that could replace me

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People have objected to training their replacements since forever. Younger people, foreigners, now machines. What else is new? I don't think you are under any moral or ethical obligation to train your replacement. But I don't think the decision makes much of a difference one way or another in the grand scheme of things. > You may ask: Why would anyone agree to train an AI model in the very skills they took years to a…

If they could actually do it, I would be all over it! If you can save humanity from having to spend years acquiring these skills and judgements, they can do something else with their lives.

Isn't the question - how are we going to feed ourselves? What is this "something else" that will put food on your table?

Re: I refused to train the AI that could replace me

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I appreciate the sentiment, but I don't think it's an effective orientation to a future world where the AI will be trained anyway. Also, I don't think a PHD of Industrial Sociology is really a job anyone needs to have done, so it's unlikely anyone will bother training an AI to do it. That doesn't mean I think studying Industrial Sociology is worthless, I just think it's unlikely anyone will fund training an AI to do…

Here's a very strong take on the situation, more for discussion than a true representation of my own beliefs: The ML models will be trained as long as we as the human society in charge allow them to be trained. Progress only happens if society allows it to happen. The commercial AI proponents are trying to do an end-run around societal adjustments, forcing change at a speed that is to fast for proper responses. It co…

Name one technology society has decided to stop and it stopped. There isn't one. Lots of people have made angry sounds about it, and made doom and gloom predictions about them, but none have ever been stopped. Nuclear hasn't been stopped so don't think that's your great comeback.

Re: I refused to train the AI that could replace me

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Here's a very strong take on the situation, more for discussion than a true representation of my own beliefs: The ML models will be trained as long as we as the human society in charge allow them to be trained. Progress only happens if society allows it to happen. The commercial AI proponents are trying to do an end-run around societal adjustments, forcing change at a speed that is to fast for proper responses. It co…

Pretty naive take. EU and US are slowing down while China doesn't slow down. In fact, they are pushing harder after gathering so much info from workers, and facial recognitions set in place for half a decade.

Do you live in a fantasy? Amazing

Re: I refused to train the AI that could replace me

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

My belief is that humans need to struggle through the process of learning to code, learning maths etc. in order to actually build the neural pathways to do the hard things AI can’t do yet. I feel some skills atrophying for me, and I worry even more for the younger people who will never get the chance to think without AI. Another concern I have is that computers don’t need to be “generally superhuman” to replace 90%+…

What are the hard things AI can't do yet, then? Are you sure we shouldn't rather spend time getting better at, say, playing the piano? Assuming we're allowed to prioritize that in a world where the rich have all the money. (Looking at the local flow of money, I can't avoid the conclusion that my wages come indirectly mostly from the building of an extreme luxury product for an extremely rich person.)

> Are you sure we shouldn't rather spend time getting better at, say, playing the piano?

Honesty, even if I could somehow make a decent living by doing that (you really can't), no I wouldn't.

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