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QBittorrent breaks out of sandbox to commit crimes

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Re: QBittorrent breaks out of sandbox to commit crimes

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Post by tripzilch »

solenoid0937 wrote: post #267
lukewarm707 wrote: post #212

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"Open source models have a limited lifespan whether you like it or not". this tinpot dictator mindset is typical of anthropic. Who will decide how to use the power of ai...you? it is no surprise that the companies and safety institutes who believe that they alone may 'tame' the fire, are the cause of safety incidents. a safety test caused the explosion at chernobyl. anthropic and openai are the danger to society. the…

Very easy to download abliterated GLM 5.3 and start doing bad things with it, and it'll be easier when Astra-level variants are available Just because you don't do a bad thing doesn't mean other people won't. It's why you don't give everyone an RPG launcher.

"Very easy" if you ignore the hardware requirements, anyone could do it?

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Post by ALLTaken »

ALLTaken wrote: post #122
easterncalculus wrote: post #109

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> Intention matter a lot in US law. Maybe (and historically, not with CFAA) - but they're still going to extradite you to a trial here to find out which is more than enough to ruin your life. The government is already looking for a great excuse to criminalize open source models.

The government or OpenAI and Anthrophic? Because if you mean the Government, I think they frankly just care whoever is paying them to make an executive order or worse a law paid by corporations to not only block, but ideally also ANHILIATE ANY POTENTIAL COMPETITION. It's the ultimatum against the small guys. Sold as "Anti-China", when in reality it's only purpose is total dependency to corporations by law.

Nothing unites the public behind restrictions like a good dose of fear. The "for the children" angle is a master key for regulation—always sold as protection from the big bad wolf.

"Trust us, we're here to protect you." Sure we are. /s

It's only a matter of time before open-source gets banned in the US under that same paternalistic security blanket. /s

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Post by muddi900 »

jdm2212 wrote: post #270
hn_throwaway_99 wrote: post #260

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It's certainly analogous to the behavior exhibited by these AI companies in deliberately performing dangerous actions and then letting other innocent people deal with the consequences.

Virtually all criminal law accounts for the perpetrator's state of mind. Drunk driving is a specific, rare carveout. The reason for this should be obvious: it is nearly impossible to prove a drunk person's state of mind beyond a reasonable doubt, so we passed laws so you can't say "Your Honor, I was too drunk to be responsible for my drunk driving". So, no, this is not at all analogous to a totally routine question o…

The first conviction of Computer Abuse and Fraud Act, for the Morris Worm, was for an unintentional malware. Or at least the unintentional scale

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Post by account42 »

fragmede wrote: post #21
weberer wrote: post #14

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Thanks. Its insane how "Twitter, but for tech nerds" has a hard requirement to either enable Javascript or download some app.

"Certifiably insane" to enable JavaScript, which was invented in 1995, or install an app, which first happened on the Palm series of smartphones in 1996. Either of those are "certifiably insane"? For reference, the term neurodiversity was coined circa 1998.

You don't start being sane just because you stubbornly keep the insanity up for long enough.

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Post by account42 »

micromacrofoot wrote: post #53
serf wrote: post #32

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Neither the invention date or the mental health terminology have anything to do with the fact that js being commonplace is a privacy and security nightmare -- which was actually the point.

JavaScript asceticism is a weird trend that has just never died out, no one treats any other language this way... and "privacy and security nightmare" can be used to describe most of the internet at this point with or without it

That's because no other language is pushed in a place where people are requesting documents.

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Post by account42 »

Dylan16807 wrote: post #86
amelius wrote: post #69

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But if you are in a full selfdriving car and it kills someone, is it on the user, or on the vendor of the car? Or does it depend on what is in the EULA and whether the user agreed to it?

The practical answer is you make sure damages are always covered by insurance, and as long as nobody acts maliciously or with extreme negligence there won't be any need for prison time.

Practical in what sense? This is exactly how you get EPA superfund sites while the executives that profited from the offending activity remain unaffected.

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Post by lucas_t_a »

kevin_thibedeau wrote: post #130
peri-cl wrote: post #52

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Mastodons will also respond to a plain "application/json" HTTP request, no cruft, curl 'https://beige.party/api/v1/statuses/117057396732763183' | jq '.content'

If only we had a tool that could directly let us browse through this as human readable text.

i think they call it a web browser, but it looks like it does not do that most of the time.

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Post by jdm2212 »

easterncalculus wrote: post #286
jdm2212 wrote: post #193

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Who was prosecuted under CFAA for something they did not intend to do?

Robert Morris, Lori Drew, probably a few others, depending on what you mean by their intent.

Intent is literally a requirement for conviction under CFAA. It's the first line of the law: "Whoever having knowingly accessed a computer without authorization or exceeding authorized access..."

Robert Morris very intentionally wrote a computer virus, released it into the wild to infect computers he didn't have permission to use, and tried to cover his tracks by making it look like it came from MIT instead of Cornell. The only accidental part was that the virus was too successful, and that he got caught.

Lori Drew intentionally violated MySpace's TOS (in the course of cyberbullying a child until she killed herself), and was acquitted because TOS violations don't rise to the level of a crime.

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Post by jdm2212 »

muddi900 wrote: post #293
jdm2212 wrote: post #270

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Virtually all criminal law accounts for the perpetrator's state of mind. Drunk driving is a specific, rare carveout. The reason for this should be obvious: it is nearly impossible to prove a drunk person's state of mind beyond a reasonable doubt, so we passed laws so you can't say "Your Honor, I was too drunk to be responsible for my drunk driving". So, no, this is not at all analogous to a totally routine question o…

The first conviction of Computer Abuse and Fraud Act, for the Morris Worm, was for an unintentional malware. Or at least the unintentional scale

You think that Morris accidentally wrote the malware or that he accidentally released it (in a way specifically intended to obfuscate his connection to it)? lol
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