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Four Weeks of a Vegan Diet Alter Signs of Inflammation and Aging

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Re: Four Weeks of a Vegan Diet Alter Signs of Inflammation and Aging

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Highly misleading title. They make you really dig up linked paywalled papers before you see any methods to see what people actually ate. The methods say people were allocated to vegan versus "high meat consumption" foods, with participants free to choose their diets. The only restriction was you had to "try" to increase intake if losing weight, and "try" to decrease intake if gaining weight. (i.e. only isocaloric per…

I can’t access the previous paper by the authors that contains details about the diets. That being said, people don’t eat macronutrients, they eat foods. With equal caloric intake, a vegan diet is going to be higher in fiber and lower in fat and protein than a diet that includes meat. That’s probably part of why it’s healthy, but the reason for doing this study is to understand the mechanisms in more detail, rather t…

> When you say they should have supplemented fiber, you’re also implying they should have had less meat

Why? This is a non-sequitur. As are the other assertions in my opinion. You can have meat based diets rich in fibre (e.g. the mediterranean diet), and you can have vegan diets completely devoid of them (e.g. living off McDonalds plantburgers for the rest of your life).

The problem is this conflating of veganism, which at its heart is an ethical movement, as a nutritional one. So designing studies that intentionally blur this line isn't doing anyone no favours.

If I see a study comparing vegan junkfood against the mediterranean diet where the vegan diet still comes on top, I'd change my tune. But the reverse scenario, i.e. comparing meat-based diets of a nature that most people would intuitively consider unhealthy anyway (i.e. not necessarily because of the meat) against vegan diets which most people would intuitively consider healthy anyway (i.e. not necessarily because of the veganism) provides zero useful evidence.

And if I were to make a dietary choice for ethical reasons, I would much more appreciate insights coming from impartial science over an echo chamber, academic or otherwise.

Re: Four Weeks of a Vegan Diet Alter Signs of Inflammation and Aging

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Reminds me that I need to study the impacts of a vegan diet in the science literature to understand how aggressively I should be pursuing it. The times I’ve lived on a near vegan diet, I feel quietly better in lots of little unexpected ways. Happy to chase books or links if people have them lying around.

A friend of mine chose a “macrobiotic” diet 35 years ago. Apparently practitioners have conferences, too, Or so ive been told.

Re: Four Weeks of a Vegan Diet Alter Signs of Inflammation and Aging

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That is absolutely wrong. There is no gray area when it comes to veganism. Just because there is no word for that diet, does not mean you can just twist the definition of vegan for your convenience. You could easily just say your a pescatarian who doesn’t eat dairy or eggs, and that would be more correct.

Sorry for not being perfect like you. For ethical reasons, I do not consume dairy or meat (except for fish). The vegan community should be more open to other perspectives, especially when someone is actively making an effort towards reducing harm. Vegan Puritanism is totally antithetical to our collective goal of reducing animal suffering. Rather than being motivated by the prospect of claiming moral superiority, our…

Killing and eating animals is not a perspective vegans will be open to.

You can reduce harm, but you cannot call yourself vegan until you actually eliminate the possibility of eating animals or their products from your life. There is no reason you HAVE to eat fish.

Re: Four Weeks of a Vegan Diet Alter Signs of Inflammation and Aging

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Most studies on diets are usually skewed because part of the results do not directly come to the specific diet (no matter if it's the vegan, carnivore, atkins, dukan, paleo or whatever) but from study participants "suddenly" following a well-defined eating regime (with a well defined upper bound on caloric intake).

Essentially, if you go from eating shit at whatever time of the day to following a well-specified eating regime... of course you'll get benefits.

Dumb example: this professor lost 27 pounds and got improvements across various markers by eating Twinkies - link: https://edition.cnn.com/2010/HEALTH/11/08/twinkie.diet.profe...

Re: Four Weeks of a Vegan Diet Alter Signs of Inflammation and Aging

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That is absolutely wrong. There is no gray area when it comes to veganism. Just because there is no word for that diet, does not mean you can just twist the definition of vegan for your convenience. You could easily just say your a pescatarian who doesn’t eat dairy or eggs, and that would be more correct.

Sorry for not being perfect like you. For ethical reasons, I do not consume dairy or meat (except for fish). The vegan community should be more open to other perspectives, especially when someone is actively making an effort towards reducing harm. Vegan Puritanism is totally antithetical to our collective goal of reducing animal suffering. Rather than being motivated by the prospect of claiming moral superiority, our…

It's not really a moral issue, it's simply the definition of the word. Using an incorrect term to describe yourself knowing it is incorrect can be perceived as virtue-signaling or claiming your own moral superiority. For example, one could ask "why call yourself a vegan if you eat fish?".

There's no policing body here, but people are rightfully calling the double-standard out here.

Edit: Would also love to hear the ethics of why fish can be eaten when cows/chicken/pigs cannot. Doesn't sound ethically consistent to me at all.

Re: Four Weeks of a Vegan Diet Alter Signs of Inflammation and Aging

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always some excuse to keep eating meat

always some excuse to avoid putting the blame on the corporations, unchecked O&G

Corporations don't exist without customers. Both sides are at fault. Individual effort matters. The thousands of animals you didn't eat throughout your lifetime would thank you.

Re: Four Weeks of a Vegan Diet Alter Signs of Inflammation and Aging

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That is absolutely wrong. There is no gray area when it comes to veganism. Just because there is no word for that diet, does not mean you can just twist the definition of vegan for your convenience. You could easily just say your a pescatarian who doesn’t eat dairy or eggs, and that would be more correct.

Sorry for not being perfect like you. For ethical reasons, I do not consume dairy or meat (except for fish). The vegan community should be more open to other perspectives, especially when someone is actively making an effort towards reducing harm. Vegan Puritanism is totally antithetical to our collective goal of reducing animal suffering. Rather than being motivated by the prospect of claiming moral superiority, our…

It's not puritanism. You haven't grasped the ethical system if you don't understand that vegans view this as murder. Why should veganism have exceptions when we don't have exceptions for murder, rape, beating children? Most of us view animal exploitation at the same level.

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That is absolutely wrong. There is no gray area when it comes to veganism. Just because there is no word for that diet, does not mean you can just twist the definition of vegan for your convenience. You could easily just say your a pescatarian who doesn’t eat dairy or eggs, and that would be more correct.

Then you would be twisting the meaning of pescatarian. There is no gray area when it comes to pescatarianism.

Pescatarianism isn't an ethical framework like veganism is though.

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I'd say their description is fair. We don't have a word for vegan+fish. Pescetarianism includes eggs, milk, etc. So they're precisely vegan, with fish.

That is absolutely wrong. There is no gray area when it comes to veganism. Just because there is no word for that diet, does not mean you can just twist the definition of vegan for your convenience. You could easily just say your a pescatarian who doesn’t eat dairy or eggs, and that would be more correct.

People would provide significantly more global benefit for their cause, compared to their individual contribution, by not putting people off their cause wholesale.

Just an observation I have found recently.

Re: Four Weeks of a Vegan Diet Alter Signs of Inflammation and Aging

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Do you look down on murderers and rapists? Or if you think that analogy is too strong, what about people who beat their children, which was considered normal and expected 60 years ago.

I won't bore you with a litany of habits that I disapprove of, because I am not stupid enough to believe that you care about what some random on the Internet riding a high horse thinks of you.

Murder isn't a habit unless you are a psychopath.
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