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Re: 216M Spy TVs – The LG Smart TV Problem [video]

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Okay. This is insane. First the monitor that uses a windows feature to automatically install a small helper tool with root permissions and then starts showing adds in certain regions. Now a tv that is actually actively snooping around on top of the known fingerprinting. What else is next? In the previous topic I got ridiculed for not wanting to buy LG anymore because I could use an agent to modify to strip out the of…

I think the insane part is that this is not criminal and the executives are not jailed for it.

That's exactly why this keeps happening. If I bug your house I'd be charged with all kinds of crimes. If LG does it at scale nothing happens.

Re: 216M Spy TVs – The LG Smart TV Problem [video]

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Funny, published on a site with 1745 'partners' who fully respect our privacy of course

The article is just a summary of the original reporting from Gamers Nexus: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6IFVTcM28KA

Which is published on a video streaming website run by one of the biggest tracking and data collection companies, which is used to pay for the creation of the video (in addition to ads embedded in the video itself).

Re: 216M Spy TVs – The LG Smart TV Problem [video]

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But it's never connected to the internet, not even for software updates. If the TV isn't connected to the internet there's no reason to update it, assuming the TV works as expected. It's a trade off I guess. I use Home Assistant to control TVs, so kinda need the access.

Have you noticed that on many home routers there is now a default open, sometimes password protective network named AT&T or Cox Wi-Fi? That’s the backhaul. The TV will join that automatically without asking you because they have an agreement with the network provider. This is how tons of devices phone home now. You don’t ever need to add a device on your network for it to have internet. If there’s a partner Wi-Fi net…

The TV will join that automatically without asking you because they have an agreement with the network provider.

This seems far fetched to me. Have you seen evidence or reliable reporting of this?

Re: 216M Spy TVs – The LG Smart TV Problem [video]

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All of your blocking still doesn't change the fact that your LG TV is actively trying to scan your local hardware, gathering IP-addresses of devices, wi-fi names and signal strengths, creating digital finger prints of the audio and video projected on your screen, recording audio through the internal microphone, even when the TV is in standby or without an internet connection, saving the collected data locally and upl…

Yeah which is why its imperative that you _never_ connect to the Internet.

More imperative is that you _never_ buy one.

Re: 216M Spy TVs – The LG Smart TV Problem [video]

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This. Why would you even connect TV to the network? It is well known for like 5 years. Smsrt TVs go through your movies library, and upload screenshots and filenames to internet. Some will start showing ads after firmware upgrade.

Did you know that ethernet can run over HDMI? It's called HDMI Ethernet Channel (HEC).

Did you know that no one has implemented it? You might as well talk about packet-carrying fairies in your TV. And of course the Apple TV box it’s connected to will be quite happy to share its network connection with arbitrary crap you connect to it.

But I guess like an xkcd comic, someone is obligated to raise the issue every time TVs come up.

Re: 216M Spy TVs – The LG Smart TV Problem [video]

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See this comment: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49596956

I bought a Sceptre a few years ago but it died pretty quickly (dead pixel strip on the screen). But the replacement 44" Insignia (Best Buy) that I replaced it with has been an awesome tv. So yes, you can just walk into the Electronics Store (Best Buy) and purchase a dumb TV.

Best Buy no longer produces dumb Insignia TVs.

Re: 216M Spy TVs – The LG Smart TV Problem [video]

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| but this conspiracy theory that everything is made to spy on you is not helping... Have you actually looked at what is being discussed? There is no conspiracy theory, these are simple facts. Just about every electronic device is made to spy on you in 2026. Thinking otherwise is naive, at best. You've accidentally proven my statement: If you're not specific, you're not helping.

Nothing about my previous statement was accidental, and it’s proven nothing to your point as far as I can tell. What exactly are you being specific about here? You started with a baseless claim that anyone who believes we live in a surveillance state is misguided, while I stated that the discussion was surrounding facts. Meanwhile, there are numerous citations throughout the thread, go read them; I’m not going to rep…

> You started with a baseless claim that anyone who believes we live in a surveillance state is misguided

Oh I made no such claim whatsoever. My complete statement was this, in context of the original research the article is based on:

"There is an important message in this about security hardening, privacy, data protection, but this conspiracy theory that everything is made to spy on you is not helping..."

To translate:

It's important to raise and emphasize matters of security hardening, privacy, data protection, and there's alot to raise here.

But doing so by implying broad malicious intent on even the most trivial use-case observed on the device (like user-initiated voice-transcription, as I also elaborated as an example) is not helping to emphasize the actually important findings of that research.

Meanwhile, you started a broad strawman-argument "that anyone who believes we live in a surveillance state is misguided". You need to find a opposing position to argue that, you won't find that with me...

Re: 216M Spy TVs – The LG Smart TV Problem [video]

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post #139

Funny, published on a site with 1745 'partners' who fully respect our privacy of course

The article is just a summary of the original reporting from Gamers Nexus: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6IFVTcM28KA

The video is 2 hours long. A summary is not a bad thing
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