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It's time for Mark Zuckerberg to resign from Meta

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Re: It's time for Mark Zuckerberg to resign from Meta

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Post by bluebarbet »

thih9 wrote: post #94
bluebarbet wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Echoes of America's gay wedding cake case. In the US this would presumably be struck down as "compelled speech", and rightly so IMO. People refuse to pay for journalism and now publishers are prevented from allowing them to consent to pay with their personal data. They can't win, and yet we need journalism. The solution to this whole thing has been obvious since the start: Put the power where it belongs, with the use…

You praise both “Do Not Track being legally enforceable” and “consent to pay with personal data”. Note that they are mutually exclusive.

First, I'm not "praising" anything other than choice on the part of publishers and users. If DNT is set to 1 then a publisher should be free to withhold their content. If everybody sets it to 1 then they might well choose to make some compromises. Or not. I don't care. Just make the banners go away.

Re: It's time for Mark Zuckerberg to resign from Meta

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Post by thih9 »

bluebarbet wrote: post #101
thih9 wrote: post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You praise both “Do Not Track being legally enforceable” and “consent to pay with personal data”. Note that they are mutually exclusive.

First, I'm not "praising" anything other than choice on the part of publishers and users. If DNT is set to 1 then a publisher should be free to withhold their content. If everybody sets it to 1 then they might well choose to make some compromises. Or not. I don't care. Just make the banners go away.

> I don't care. Just make the banners go away.

It’s easy, let them track you and don’t clear cookies. Be clear about your consent to tracking; then you don’t see cookie banners.

Looks like there is even an extension for that: https://chromewebstore.google.com/detail/i-dont-care-about-c...

Re: It's time for Mark Zuckerberg to resign from Meta

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Post by bluebarbet »

thih9 wrote: post #102
bluebarbet wrote: post #101

Earlier quoted context omitted.

First, I'm not "praising" anything other than choice on the part of publishers and users. If DNT is set to 1 then a publisher should be free to withhold their content. If everybody sets it to 1 then they might well choose to make some compromises. Or not. I don't care. Just make the banners go away.

> I don't care. Just make the banners go away. It’s easy, let them track you and don’t clear cookies. Be clear about your consent to tracking; then you don’t see cookie banners. Looks like there is even an extension for that: https://chromewebstore.google.com/detail/i-dont-care-about-c...

That's exactly what I do. Or rather I just mash whatever is the nearest button to smite the banner. "Refuse", "Accept", who cares? I'm blocking user-side anyway, as the web was designed for. This whole situation is completely dumb and unnecessary and makes me furious. The EU Commission should have known better.

PS: Using a Chromium-based browser would be like begging to surrender what's left of the software freedom that I just described.

Re: It's time for Mark Zuckerberg to resign from Meta

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Post by trueno »

swed420 wrote: post #95
hpjev wrote: post #40

Mark Zuckerberg owns the majority of voting shares. It's his company, over which he specifically wanted to retain control. Therefore, calling on the board to reign him in is... Misplaced. If you think the actions of Meta are wrong and should be prevented, you need to act on the regulatory level, not appeal to the very shareholders who profit off the behaviour.

> you need to act on the regulatory level This. Otherwise it's just a fruitless game of whac-a-mole as new reptiles inevitably step up to sustain the profit opportunity.

tru, although i don't think there's anything at this point that can compel meta or zuck to do jack squat especially in the default country. as we've already seen.

these days with what might as well be branch capture by these bazillionaire entities, id be very surprised to see any actions attempted at the regulatory level against zuck against meta against any of this class ever actually make it into law. am i jaded sure but im mostly stepping back and looking at the game board at this point. i will be very surprised if things ever balance / restore in my lifetime, for now i literally do think the rest of my life is not going to have any chapter where the law puts zuckerberg or meta in its place.

Re: It's time for Mark Zuckerberg to resign from Meta

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Post by trueno »

odiroot wrote: post #83
primitivesuave wrote: post #46

Rather than investigate all the things where investigative journalism could potentially make a difference to real human beings' lives, the Guardian has chosen to pursue a plea for the majority owner of Meta's voting shares (61%) to step down from his position of power. Let us politely ask Sisyphus to stop pushing the boulder instead.

One must imagine Mark happy, living in his metaverse.

i kinda wish he would do that and then forget this reality. it did dawn on me that when he was talking about how great it would be to meet AI friends that this guy is just desperately trying to escape a world he feels rejected/hated at large in and get to one where he can feel beloved and accepted. All of these billionaires seem to have a similar weirdly sad story where they just want to haul everyone off to follow some dumb idea of a new world, buncha broken people.

Re: It's time for Mark Zuckerberg to resign from Meta

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Post by stasomatic »

VCFundedGenYer wrote: post #98
stasomatic wrote: post #96

It's strange that while many parts of the world rely on WhatsApp for essential services, this weak link is almost never in the news. Don't people know that WhatsApp is under Meta? What if he pulls the plug? Is there anything preventing MZ from doing that? I'd sever that dependence first. We can nope out of FB, IG, but what about WhatsApp?

For those who use WhatApp, sure. I do not know a soul who does. It depends on your region.

Roughly 30% of global population uses it. It's the backbone of many South American and Continental European countries. All controlled by a private corporation.

I don't use it personally but my wife and the extended family does. Asking them to get off of the juice has been a fail. Network effects, inertia.

So these musings (not yours, The Guardian's), but kind of like "off with their heads" don't address the infrastructure cancer.

I live in the US btw and use the iOS Messages app. Don't have WhatsApp installed, even if my wife insists, on principle.

If Meta burns in flames or does something with WhatsApp, I won't feel a sting, but others will and much of the world along. I might miss FB Marketplace, that's the only reason I go there.

It's curious decoupling WhatsAPP isn't on EU's and others' agenda. If it is, but I haven't seen it.

Re: It's time for Mark Zuckerberg to resign from Meta

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Post by sixtyj »

swed420 wrote: post #95
hpjev wrote: post #40

Mark Zuckerberg owns the majority of voting shares. It's his company, over which he specifically wanted to retain control. Therefore, calling on the board to reign him in is... Misplaced. If you think the actions of Meta are wrong and should be prevented, you need to act on the regulatory level, not appeal to the very shareholders who profit off the behaviour.

> you need to act on the regulatory level This. Otherwise it's just a fruitless game of whac-a-mole as new reptiles inevitably step up to sustain the profit opportunity.

Who wants to fight a battle that could be a lifelong one and along the way some lose their enthusiasm for the cause…

I would rather make a lifelong campaign “don’t do drugs”… if you make national all-year-long donate-funded campaigns on every corner, social networks’ providers would need to regulate themselves as they’ll have higher churn rate.

Recent campaigns don’t work too much as they are endemic.

Re: It's time for Mark Zuckerberg to resign from Meta

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Post by trueno »

sznio wrote: post #3
throw03172019 wrote: post #2

I’m not sure the next CEO would do any better. The social media craze is built for addiction and that’s their business model. Investors won’t be on board, sadly.

I think everyone is infected by doomerism. Why care about the long term consequences if the world is going to be over in the next 20 years.

i think calling it doomerism underplays the realities of the actual landscape right now.

there is like literally no history to go off of here that indicates there could be consequences for mark or meta.

there is, however, kind of a lot of history showing nothing will happen to him or meta. and the conditions that enabled him to be consequence-free are exist in pretty much the entire judicial apparatus at this point.

it's not so much that it's doomerism as it is... just look at it. lol. we are sailing literally the opposite direction of accountability right now as a nation.

Re: It's time for Mark Zuckerberg to resign from Meta

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Post by thih9 »

bluebarbet wrote: post #103
thih9 wrote: post #102

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I don't care. Just make the banners go away. It’s easy, let them track you and don’t clear cookies. Be clear about your consent to tracking; then you don’t see cookie banners. Looks like there is even an extension for that: https://chromewebstore.google.com/detail/i-dont-care-about-c...

That's exactly what I do. Or rather I just mash whatever is the nearest button to smite the banner. "Refuse", "Accept", who cares? I'm blocking user-side anyway, as the web was designed for. This whole situation is completely dumb and unnecessary and makes me furious. The EU Commission should have known better. PS: Using a Chromium-based browser would be like begging to surrender what's left of the software freedom t…

Sounds like you’re not accepting the cookie banners in a meaningful way. Accept all cookies and never clear them - then you see no cookie banners.

Re: It's time for Mark Zuckerberg to resign from Meta

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Post by bluebarbet »

thih9 wrote: post #109
bluebarbet wrote: post #103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's exactly what I do. Or rather I just mash whatever is the nearest button to smite the banner. "Refuse", "Accept", who cares? I'm blocking user-side anyway, as the web was designed for. This whole situation is completely dumb and unnecessary and makes me furious. The EU Commission should have known better. PS: Using a Chromium-based browser would be like begging to surrender what's left of the software freedom t…

Sounds like you’re not accepting the cookie banners in a meaningful way. Accept all cookies and never clear them - then you see no cookie banners.

That assumes that you never visit a new site. Indeed it's why I think twice before clicking links to new sites. Honest question: Are you happy with the current state of affairs, really, and just waiting patiently for all the world's websites to decide to comply with EU law so that we can have a usable web again?
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