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Smartphone makers don't bother to comply with EU repairability requirements

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Re: Smartphone makers don't bother to comply with EU repairability requirements

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Post by edelbitter »

nekusar wrote: post #20
KaiserPro wrote: post #4

As its the EU and regulation, its time to trott out your hobby horse. So let me trot out mine: regulation is good so long as it is backed up by even handed, robust, transparent, quick and effective sanctions. the Online safety act is a good example of a bad law, which is enforced badly. The first big test (X producing industrial quantities of minors engaging in sexual activity) was failed. Had a small company produce…

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I guess when discussing the reasons for the law failing to bring about the intended changes, we only need to agree on that the law did not intend to make this distinction (though it definitely could have made them, even before LLM this was a deliberate choice) - not whether doing so would have been advisable.

Re: Smartphone makers don't bother to comply with EU repairability requirements

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Post by jdiff »

nekusar wrote: post #20
KaiserPro wrote: post #4

As its the EU and regulation, its time to trott out your hobby horse. So let me trot out mine: regulation is good so long as it is backed up by even handed, robust, transparent, quick and effective sanctions. the Online safety act is a good example of a bad law, which is enforced badly. The first big test (X producing industrial quantities of minors engaging in sexual activity) was failed. Had a small company produce…

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Minors were involved. People were responding to pictures of minors and prompting Grok to sexualize them. People were uploading their own photos of real minors and asking Grok to make modifications to them.

Re: Smartphone makers don't bother to comply with EU repairability requirements

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Post by Ekaros »

GJim wrote: post #15
shermantanktop wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Being in favor of right-to-repair is generally popular on HN, for obvious reasons.

Whereas, given a large part of the HN demographic works in the AdTech industry..... Being in favour of the GDPR will bring out downvotes and FUD from the people whose very salaries are dependent on invading your privacy.

I really don't get the big deal with GDRP. Consider what you are storing and why you are storing. Decide if those things align. If they do not, well don't implement that in first place. And I suppose LLMs are perfect for the boiler plate documentation so not big effort there either.

Somethings are big more challenging like getting the data for customer when asking or deleting it when reasonable. But as user I also like at least having that option. It is least any business can do.

Re: Smartphone makers don't bother to comply with EU repairability requirements

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Post by jatora »

crote wrote: post #7

Contrary to popular belief, the EU is not very fast when it comes to enforcement on requirements like these. We already saw this with the ePrivacy Directive and GDPR: those scary hundreds-of-millions-of-euros fines are only handed out after ongoing and deliberate violation, where you've already received plenty of warnings and smaller fines. 18% compliance after one year with zero enforcement is not great, but it's al…

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Re: Smartphone makers don't bother to comply with EU repairability requirements

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Post by streetfighter64 »

library8848 wrote: post #26

It's going to be cool to get user-replaceable batteries back in new phone releases. Depending how it goes I can see myself keeping a spare instead of a powerbank

Powerbank: Works with all phones, Doesn't require you to shut down and take your phone apart, Can be charged with a regular phone charger.

Spare battery: ???

Re: Smartphone makers don't bother to comply with EU repairability requirements

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Post by edelbitter »

herbst wrote: post #25
jgilias wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It does matter, yes. Because it won’t lead to the outcome you want until someone actually gets a painful fine.

They will get fined, but it doesn't happen within just a few weeks.

If it does not happen quickly, then the result might end up similar to data privacy topics.

If you can afford to keep fines in litigation/appeals/formal-defect limbo for a sufficient number of years, you can grow out of even once-threatening fines and delay compliance until the law that you finally bow down to is so old that its signs of old age will in the meantime become popular arguments for undermining or retracting it.

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Post by graemep »

Ekaros wrote: post #33
GJim wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Whereas, given a large part of the HN demographic works in the AdTech industry..... Being in favour of the GDPR will bring out downvotes and FUD from the people whose very salaries are dependent on invading your privacy.

I really don't get the big deal with GDRP. Consider what you are storing and why you are storing. Decide if those things align. If they do not, well don't implement that in first place. And I suppose LLMs are perfect for the boiler plate documentation so not big effort there either. Somethings are big more challenging like getting the data for customer when asking or deleting it when reasonable. But as user I also li…

GDPR is reasonable, maybe too weak regulation of big businesses with lots of data.

The problem is that it applies to small organisations, even non-profits, that do not trade that information which is proportionately a much bigger burden. Real examples of organisations I have come across who have to comply with GDPR include a local community theatre, a parish church etc. They are keep fairly simple information, and not exchanging it with anyone, but they still have to put effort into ensuring compliance. They are pretty good and ethical anyway - the theatre recently impressed me when I found out that if you give them medical information in case of emergency they put it in a sealed envelope and no one opens it unless there is an actually emergency that requires it (i.e. you keel over there!).

Re: Smartphone makers don't bother to comply with EU repairability requirements

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Post by graemep »

m00dy wrote: post #2

I don't want to get down-voted but I like this regulation, good job EU!

Do you like the intent, or the implementation and enforcement?

Politicians have a tendency to think that passing legislation fixes problems, where is its only the start of the process.

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Post by hgoel »

nekusar wrote: post #20
KaiserPro wrote: post #4

As its the EU and regulation, its time to trott out your hobby horse. So let me trot out mine: regulation is good so long as it is backed up by even handed, robust, transparent, quick and effective sanctions. the Online safety act is a good example of a bad law, which is enforced badly. The first big test (X producing industrial quantities of minors engaging in sexual activity) was failed. Had a small company produce…

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Social media is already full of hentai art of that sort and that isn't a problem to most countries, so a little thought leads to the obvious point that your basic assumptions are incorrect.

Minors were involved and people were generating sexually charged images ("donut glaze" etc). This is why other countries, like South Korea, also went after X under deepfake related regulations.

Re: Smartphone makers don't bother to comply with EU repairability requirements

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Post by eloisant »

streetfighter64 wrote: post #35
library8848 wrote: post #26

It's going to be cool to get user-replaceable batteries back in new phone releases. Depending how it goes I can see myself keeping a spare instead of a powerbank

Powerbank: Works with all phones, Doesn't require you to shut down and take your phone apart, Can be charged with a regular phone charger. Spare battery: ???

I don't need to be able to swap a spare battery like we did 15 years ago.

However when your battery is old, and drains fast, it's really nice to be able to order a new one and easily change it by removing 4 screws.

Not having to perform surgery on your phone, heating it to remove glue, etc.

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