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216M Spy TVs – The LG Smart TV Problem [video]

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Re: 216M Spy TVs – The LG Smart TV Problem [video]

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Post by clsec »

prmph wrote: post #178
medwards666 wrote: post #148

Earlier quoted context omitted.

... and that's the trick, isn't it. Have you ever tried going into an electrical store and buying a dumb TV any time recently?

See this comment: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49596956

I bought a Sceptre a few years ago but it died pretty quickly (dead pixel strip on the screen). But the replacement 44" Insignia (Best Buy) that I replaced it with has been an awesome tv.

So yes, you can just walk into the Electronics Store (Best Buy) and purchase a dumb TV.

Re: 216M Spy TVs – The LG Smart TV Problem [video]

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Post by shakna »

korzinka wrote: post #107

I've bought an LG Smart TV 5 years ago, read t&c where I was supposed to grant them any data they wanted, decided to disagree and kept all network functions disabled. I was ridiculed by my friends for that. At some point, I thought - maybe I'm really crazy to do so? Who am I, a caveman, a luddite? Oh well, I'm not. Not a bad tv though, many HDMI ports!

A few models/firmware combinations have found to look for public hotspots when you don't agree to give them network.

Re: 216M Spy TVs – The LG Smart TV Problem [video]

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Post by grepfru_it »

chrisBob wrote: post #166
korzinka wrote: post #107

I've bought an LG Smart TV 5 years ago, read t&c where I was supposed to grant them any data they wanted, decided to disagree and kept all network functions disabled. I was ridiculed by my friends for that. At some point, I thought - maybe I'm really crazy to do so? Who am I, a caveman, a luddite? Oh well, I'm not. Not a bad tv though, many HDMI ports!

My in-laws were so proud of themselves. I came home one day and they told me they figured out how to connect my TV to the network so that I don’t have to use my Apple TV if I don’t want. I had to take a few deep breaths to keep from yelling. I am very happy with my TCL tv but I trust it about as far as I can throw my father in law.

At least with LG you can revoke your consent. I came home to found STT audio recording enabled and I promptly disabled it and lectured the household about privacy.

Re: 216M Spy TVs – The LG Smart TV Problem [video]

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Post by Tostino »

BLKNSLVR wrote: post #227
CommanderData wrote: post #158

"Samba unites TV, digital, and behavioral data through AI to power faster, more accurate media decisions. We help the world’s leading brands and agencies reach the right audiences, measure real outcomes, and access signals no one else has." https://samba.com/

Kill it with fire. Such a pity the name is associated with freeing proprietary software. The _real_ samba: https://www.samba.org/

Yeah...what the hell even is that "I like that name, mine now" for something that has been around almost as long as I have.

Re: 216M Spy TVs – The LG Smart TV Problem [video]

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Post by jayknight »

iamtedd wrote: post #193
bzzzt wrote: post #185

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, but support in devices and cables is very limited.

How much would support increase when manufacturers realise how few of their TVs don't get connected to the network?

If people really start not connecting them. TV makers will just start including a cellular modem.

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Post by MentalM »

dgellow wrote: post #67
Lio wrote: post #44

In an age where AI can search vast amounts of data having something in your home or workplace turning what it hears into text looks like a problem waiting to happen. E.g. As soon as someone proves LG, Samsung, etc. recorded and stored credit card details and knowingly have weak security this is going to be a massive business liability. That's an easy one to put a compensation figure on but there's probably all sorts…

Based on historical records, I would say not much will happen to these companies. Interested to see what the EU will do though

> Interested to see what the EU will do though

Will make surveillance mandatory? I mean we definitely should somehow fight terrorism, protect children, and prevent copyright infringement on trillions of dollars per year.

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Post by imglorp »

Sophira wrote: post #175
korzinka wrote: post #107

I've bought an LG Smart TV 5 years ago, read t&c where I was supposed to grant them any data they wanted, decided to disagree and kept all network functions disabled. I was ridiculed by my friends for that. At some point, I thought - maybe I'm really crazy to do so? Who am I, a caveman, a luddite? Oh well, I'm not. Not a bad tv though, many HDMI ports!

Nah, you're not crazy. I'm also someone who actually reads terms documents, because I find that they're often the only thing that will be truthful about a company's intentions. And keeping it completely disconnected from the internet should be the default, in my opinion.

There is absolutely no reason to read those contracts any more. As Louis Rossman keeps pointing out, most of them now include the ability for them to change terms at any time. That's basically the null contract.

Since the legal system has once again failed to protect users from corporations, it's up to users to use technical means for self defense.

Re: 216M Spy TVs – The LG Smart TV Problem [video]

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Post by rcarmo »

I've had several conversations about this over the years, usually about the EU and how they keep harping on Apple (for instance) because it's a highly visible brand while they completely ignore LG (and others) and their massive data collection devices that (by the way) are in every single European institution.

And many government officials' households, too.

Just saying.

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