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216M Spy TVs – The LG Smart TV Problem [video]

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Re: 216M Spy TVs – The LG Smart TV Problem [video]

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Post by dwedge »

recurseP wrote: post #209
Anoian wrote: post #149

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Respect for the consumer has long been gone generally except for a few brands. I am still wondering why consumer respecting brands are not emerging more and thriving.

The point is: which brands still respect user privacy? If I were to buy a new TV today, which brands-models should I prioritize? Also, are there brands-models that in which it is possible to sideload a different OS like with mobile phones (LineageOS, GrapheneOS, etc.)

I bought a projector in part because they are behind on this and only seem to have basic software

Re: 216M Spy TVs – The LG Smart TV Problem [video]

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Post by ButlerianJihad »

snvzz wrote: post #196
Sophira wrote: post #175

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Nah, you're not crazy. I'm also someone who actually reads terms documents, because I find that they're often the only thing that will be truthful about a company's intentions. And keeping it completely disconnected from the internet should be the default, in my opinion.

Only good until the device starts using a neighbor's LG TV as access point, without telling you, for the sole purpose of upgrading itself and sending this "telemetry".

Zealous Autoconfig https://m.xkcd.com/416/

Re: 216M Spy TVs – The LG Smart TV Problem [video]

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Post by rickdeckard »

Watching the actual investigation video the article is based on, it turns out that alot of the statements in the article don't really hold up to closer scrutiny.

I couldn't find any "smoking gun" or discovery of malicious intent.

What's left in the end is the already-known fact in the tech-community: The most-common, most-vulnerable and most-equipped device to spy on you in your home is your Smart-TV.

1. It has all the compute-power and sensors it needs

2. It already does some spying for ad-profiling

3. If a hacker exploits it, it's a problem

Re: 216M Spy TVs – The LG Smart TV Problem [video]

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Post by vachina »

rickdeckard wrote: post #213

Watching the actual investigation video the article is based on, it turns out that alot of the statements in the article don't really hold up to closer scrutiny. I couldn't find any "smoking gun" or discovery of malicious intent. What's left in the end is the already-known fact in the tech-community: The most-common, most-vulnerable and most-equipped device to spy on you in your home is your Smart-TV. 1. It has all t…

Reads like a smear campaign in my opinion. Watch for new American product launches in the next few days.

Re: 216M Spy TVs – The LG Smart TV Problem [video]

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Post by dwedge »

llm_nerd wrote: post #194
hk__2 wrote: post #188

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> And weirdly they always seem oddly intended to diminish the core concern being addressed. No they don’t. OP says it’s funny, that’s all.

It is 100% diminishing the concern. If someone were paid by LG to try to manage this revelation, they would post exactly what touwer posted. Like, there isn't a better way to try to normalize and excuse bad behaviour than doing the incredibly boorish tactic seen above. The "everyone is doing it" excuse is a go to. I mean, LG would probably also pay someone to run around going "it's just funny, is all" in support if a…

No I disagree here. I would argue that a TV doing this 30 years ago would find themselves in court, whereas now they are all skirting the edge of the law and we accept it because that frog has been boiling for decades.

The idea that logging audio is bad, but cars logging your weight, tvs logging your watch history, scales sending your wifi details, android and apple both mapping your access point to create a pseudo-location tracker without GPS, my mobile network sending me location-based adverts based on tower proximity via sms to a dumbphone are all very very bad.

LG have slightly overstepped the line here, legally, but in my opinion they've overstepped what is OK by a long long way. A website reporting on this while sending your details to hundreds of tracking sites are doing the same thing - abusing what is allowed and I assume only printing the report for more engagement and not because they actually care.

LG need to go a lifetime shit list for this behaviour - there should be outrage like there was about Sony's root kit. But websites like this also need to find out that this behaviour is not ok

Re: 216M Spy TVs – The LG Smart TV Problem [video]

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Post by secretsatan »

ionwake wrote: post #118
Nition wrote: post #105

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Did it ever turn itself off after you made those settings changes?

Im not here to feed conspiracy theories and paranoia, its most likely a coincidence, and tied to having "excess metrics and advanced features that indirectly cause a kernel panic that turns the tv off". But yes, after turning a bunch of unnecessary default options off, my TV never restarted again just as I was making a clutch moment. So in summary - remember it could just be related to high action moment fps drain, h…

Ahhh, i had that with my ps5 and a couple of games were terrible in hiqh quality graphics mode, shutting down the ps5, and then through hdmi, would turn off the tv.

Both games weren’t particularly intensive, the one i remember last was divinity original sin 2, but i think both games ran on unity.

Performance mode mostly fixed it, but blowing out several years of dust from the vents properly sorted it out.

Re: 216M Spy TVs – The LG Smart TV Problem [video]

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Post by drcongo »

prmph wrote: post #88

Just don't buy a smart TV. Buy a good "dumb" TV (or just get a good large monitor), then hook it up to a set top box (with TV capabilities as needed).

I don't understand why the best advice in this thread is getting downvoted. Even if you buy a smart TV and then disable the smarts, you're still teaching the TV companies that smart TVs sell.

Re: 216M Spy TVs – The LG Smart TV Problem [video]

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Post by rickdeckard »

givinguflac wrote: post #200
rickdeckard wrote: post #154

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Yes, unfortunately the investigative video is implying (or explicitly stating) malice on every detail they discovered, which is harming the overall message IMO. They hacked the TV OS, then used the TV UI to do a web search with voice-input and observed (still on the UI!) that the voice input didn't stop immediately on silence but kept extending the search prompt with everything said [0]. The OS-hack was irrelevant fo…

| but this conspiracy theory that everything is made to spy on you is not helping... Have you actually looked at what is being discussed? There is no conspiracy theory, these are simple facts. Just about every electronic device is made to spy on you in 2026. Thinking otherwise is naive, at best.

| but this conspiracy theory that everything is made to spy on you is not helping... Have you actually looked at what is being discussed? There is no conspiracy theory, these are simple facts. Just about every electronic device is made to spy on you in 2026. Thinking otherwise is naive, at best.

You've accidentally proven my statement: If you're not specific, you're not helping.

Re: 216M Spy TVs – The LG Smart TV Problem [video]

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Post by sebstefan »

rickdeckard wrote: post #213

Watching the actual investigation video the article is based on, it turns out that alot of the statements in the article don't really hold up to closer scrutiny. I couldn't find any "smoking gun" or discovery of malicious intent. What's left in the end is the already-known fact in the tech-community: The most-common, most-vulnerable and most-equipped device to spy on you in your home is your Smart-TV. 1. It has all t…

But also

4. Every single fucked up thing it did was indeed listed in their customer agreement and privacy policy

Re: 216M Spy TVs – The LG Smart TV Problem [video]

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Post by drcongo »

prmph wrote: post #177
lazystone wrote: post #121

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"Just a good large monitor" costs a fortune. If anyone could recommend any dumb TV with good panels in EU, you're more than welcome.

If you don't need something much larger than 43 inches, and you are cool with wide monitors, there are a couple ones that seem good: - Samsung 40 inch Odyssey G7 (G75F) Series WUHD Curved Gaming Monitor ( https://www.amazon.com/Samsung-Odyssey-Curved-Gaming-Monitor... ) -- $699.99 - Acer Nitro 49 inch DQHD 5120x1440 Curved 120Hz Office Monitor ( https://www.amazon.com/Acer-Nitro-Gaming-Monitor-UltraWide/d... ) -- $54…

I have a 50" Philips screen with no smarts. It's great.
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