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216M Spy TVs – The LG Smart TV Problem [video]

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Post by jjgreen »

nannal wrote: post #68
jiaosdjf wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The value of this data to the NSA, Mossad etc is probably the only thing keeping it secure. Never in human history has a government had the means to simultaneously spy on millions of people, to use everyday private conversations to categorise them into various threats to the state, and better yet these tech companies can still sell the commercially valuable side of this to advertisers.

Advertisers are the reason we have this problem. The only way to stop them is legislation.

Well, not the only way: widespread slaughter would probably work too.

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Post by zerof1l »

tombardier wrote: post #197

My LG C5 is in a separate VLAN, with no access to the rest of my home network. I've never accepted the terms and conditions, and I don't need anything from it other than to be a display for my 4k player and PC. I guess now I'm going to remove Internet access from it altogether! The thing I'd like is if the remote didn't have 4 buttons for crappy streaming services I will never use, but instead had 4 buttons to select…

You can root your LG and install an app that allow remapping any button to do anything, including selecting specific HDMI input.

Re: 216M Spy TVs – The LG Smart TV Problem [video]

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Post by eks391 »

iamtedd wrote: post #193
bzzzt wrote: post #185

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, but support in devices and cables is very limited.

How much would support increase when manufacturers realise how few of their TVs don't get connected to the network?

Then you make sure to only use HDMI cables that aren't HEC, in conjunction with not connecting the TV to the internet directly, if you want to keep them isolated.

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Post by recurseP »

snvzz wrote: post #196
Sophira wrote: post #175

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nah, you're not crazy. I'm also someone who actually reads terms documents, because I find that they're often the only thing that will be truthful about a company's intentions. And keeping it completely disconnected from the internet should be the default, in my opinion.

Only good until the device starts using a neighbor's LG TV as access point, without telling you, for the sole purpose of upgrading itself and sending this "telemetry".

Really?

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Post by givinguflac »

mohsen1 wrote: post #94

I absolutely loathe my LG smart TV. Just switching to another input requires 3 button press. I hope someone uses their free time to hack the OS and offer a clean and simple interface to make it a “dumb” TV.

I’m unaware of any projects trying to make a dumb tv, but I like the idea. You can start with rootmy.tv and research from there.

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Post by rcxdude »

iamtedd wrote: post #193
bzzzt wrote: post #185

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, but support in devices and cables is very limited.

How much would support increase when manufacturers realise how few of their TVs don't get connected to the network?

Their solution to that is to either use the cell phone network or services like amazon sidewalk where they connect in through your (or a neighbour's) internet-connected device.

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Post by rickdeckard »

dgellow wrote: post #67
Lio wrote: post #44

In an age where AI can search vast amounts of data having something in your home or workplace turning what it hears into text looks like a problem waiting to happen. E.g. As soon as someone proves LG, Samsung, etc. recorded and stored credit card details and knowingly have weak security this is going to be a massive business liability. That's an easy one to put a compensation figure on but there's probably all sorts…

Based on historical records, I would say not much will happen to these companies. Interested to see what the EU will do though

The EU is actually already quite equipped to counter such behavior, with GDPR and CRA (Cyber Resilience Act) regulation they can not only penalize on consumer privacy protection (GDPR) but also on inadequate security practice (CRA), both allow either an absolute fine or a percentage of the annual company revenue.

I wonder what chances a consumer in US has though. If the past is any indication, consumer privacy is not a highly regarded good when ranked against a corporate strategy...

Re: 216M Spy TVs – The LG Smart TV Problem [video]

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Post by recurseP »

Anoian wrote: post #149
touwer wrote: post #139

Funny, published on a site with 1745 'partners' who fully respect our privacy of course

Respect for the consumer has long been gone generally except for a few brands. I am still wondering why consumer respecting brands are not emerging more and thriving.

The point is: which brands still respect user privacy? If I were to buy a new TV today, which brands-models should I prioritize? Also, are there brands-models that in which it is possible to sideload a different OS like with mobile phones (LineageOS, GrapheneOS, etc.)

Re: 216M Spy TVs – The LG Smart TV Problem [video]

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Post by maxglute »

TFW LG OLED without internet access probably flirting with neighbor's connected LG fridge and LG washer and sharing all my gossip to Chaebols anyway. Just waiting for Chinese OLED to commoditize far enough that you can ship a bare panel with outputs for development. Reality is Korean companies do have enough competition / incentive to value engineer down. There's no reason 5/10 years from you can't just buy a nice OLED panel and a 3D printed shell from ali like eink now. Except more sanctions I guess.Seems like just a matter of time gig work license plate scanners also wardrive around with open access points to harvest info from "unconnected" smart devices, if not already.
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