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216M Spy TVs – The LG Smart TV Problem [video]

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Re: 216M Spy TVs – The LG Smart TV Problem [video]

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Post by AdamN »

korzinka wrote: post #107

I've bought an LG Smart TV 5 years ago, read t&c where I was supposed to grant them any data they wanted, decided to disagree and kept all network functions disabled. I was ridiculed by my friends for that. At some point, I thought - maybe I'm really crazy to do so? Who am I, a caveman, a luddite? Oh well, I'm not. Not a bad tv though, many HDMI ports!

Only give the permissions you want the device/agent/human to use - no more.

Same for anything whether you trust it or not (or somewhere in between).

Re: 216M Spy TVs – The LG Smart TV Problem [video]

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Post by rickdeckard »

shevy-java wrote: post #145
rickdeckard wrote: post #141

This is quite a mixed set of topics mangled together, which is a pity because IMO a cleaner separation would be more beneficial to get the point across. 1. The Ad data-collecting platform TV-manufacturers are operating, what data they collect and how they use it. 2. The vulnerabilities of the OS in a SmartTV, and the potential issues to exploit them for malicious purposes. 3. The general behavior of the device when c…

I find your "summary" much harder to read and understand, though. I prefer the original article and the net-benefit of a google-linked video to explain things that already were properly explained, is rather small, at best, in my opinion.

> I find your "summary" much harder to read and understand, though.

Sorry, my grouping of topics isn't supposed to replace the entire research-session.

It's merely my observation after watching the actual "investigation video" that they mixed together lots of stuff they discovered into the larger conspiracy that everything is secretly spying on the user to feed a huge Ad-profiling database.

> I prefer the original article and the net-benefit of a google-linked video to explain things that already were properly explained, is rather small, at best, in my opinion

The article was made FROM the video and takes the wrong conclusions and summaries from it. If you want to form an opinion and are a bit technically savvy, you should watch the video instead.

For example: The video actually shows that all audio that is logged was only processed after voice-input was explicitly started on the device, either via the enabled wake-word or by starting voice-input in the web-search UI. The TV continues to show the text-input UI to the user while its transcribing the voice. This is not malicious, this is the expected behavior from user-perspective.

Re: 216M Spy TVs – The LG Smart TV Problem [video]

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Post by xyzelement »

jiaosdjf wrote: post #66
polotics wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

how do you know it is for ads? how do you know it will always be only for ads if it now is?

Why not both? Mossad would love to know who to de-bank for criticising Israel, United Health Care would love to know who to deny coverage to based on remarks about their back pain.

// Mossad would love to know who to de-bank for criticising Israel

"Criticizing Israel" has moved from edgy subversive to lamely pedestrian in the last few years.

There's no great secret that Mossad needs to unearth by spying on you watching tv.

Re: 216M Spy TVs – The LG Smart TV Problem [video]

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Post by tremon »

hypfer wrote: post #122

I'm practically certain that there was no ill-intent by LG when conceiving this feature. It was most likely just a convenience thing. But I am also practically certain, that, eventually, any pile of data will attract ideas you do not want attracted.

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Re: 216M Spy TVs – The LG Smart TV Problem [video]

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Post by chrisBob »

korzinka wrote: post #107

I've bought an LG Smart TV 5 years ago, read t&c where I was supposed to grant them any data they wanted, decided to disagree and kept all network functions disabled. I was ridiculed by my friends for that. At some point, I thought - maybe I'm really crazy to do so? Who am I, a caveman, a luddite? Oh well, I'm not. Not a bad tv though, many HDMI ports!

My in-laws were so proud of themselves. I came home one day and they told me they figured out how to connect my TV to the network so that I don’t have to use my Apple TV if I don’t want. I had to take a few deep breaths to keep from yelling. I am very happy with my TCL tv but I trust it about as far as I can throw my father in law.

Re: 216M Spy TVs – The LG Smart TV Problem [video]

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Post by usern20260720 »

Anoian wrote: post #149
touwer wrote: post #139

Funny, published on a site with 1745 'partners' who fully respect our privacy of course

Respect for the consumer has long been gone generally except for a few brands. I am still wondering why consumer respecting brands are not emerging more and thriving.

A consumer respecting brand sells products. A Consumer selling brand sells consumers so they can be profiled, analysed for weaknesses and exploited economically in the name of Surveillance Capitalism

Re: 216M Spy TVs – The LG Smart TV Problem [video]

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Post by DarkUranium »

Anoian wrote: post #149
touwer wrote: post #139

Funny, published on a site with 1745 'partners' who fully respect our privacy of course

Respect for the consumer has long been gone generally except for a few brands. I am still wondering why consumer respecting brands are not emerging more and thriving.

I suspect because it's hard to differentiate between ones that actually respect the consumer vs ones that only say so, but are actually lying to your face.

That and not respecting the consumer is more profitable in the short term (only!), which means more marketing money, buying out other brands, lobbying to increase the barrier for entry, et cetera.

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