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216M Spy TVs – The LG Smart TV Problem [video]

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Re: 216M Spy TVs – The LG Smart TV Problem [video]

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Post by unixhero »

throw93947309 wrote: post #123
korzinka wrote: post #107

I've bought an LG Smart TV 5 years ago, read t&c where I was supposed to grant them any data they wanted, decided to disagree and kept all network functions disabled. I was ridiculed by my friends for that. At some point, I thought - maybe I'm really crazy to do so? Who am I, a caveman, a luddite? Oh well, I'm not. Not a bad tv though, many HDMI ports!

This. Why would you even connect TV to the network? It is well known for like 5 years. Smsrt TVs go through your movies library, and upload screenshots and filenames to internet. Some will start showing ads after firmware upgrade.

They do screenshot? Do you have a source so I can read more?

Re: 216M Spy TVs – The LG Smart TV Problem [video]

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Post by JSR_FDED »

ionwake wrote: post #128
secretsatan wrote: post #111

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Most tvs now come with auto off kou have to cancel with a button press, prob just that. Normally they show a warning, but i just got a new tcl, and it’s warning is very short leading to shutdown if you don’t pause quick enough to reset it

That did happen a few times , but Im telling you bro that TV restarted a couple times just as I was about to clutch, like the same second i was about to press a trigger in an otherwise boring 25 minute round more than once, but yes as I mentioned earlier it could be related to other tech aspects.

Clutch?

Re: 216M Spy TVs – The LG Smart TV Problem [video]

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Post by jck86 »

gpvos wrote: post #113
jck86 wrote: post #101

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Somehow the EU only appears to target big wealthy service providers. I wonder why.

Please bring your actual argument instead of insinuating stuff. Anyway, the EU's reasons seem to be entirely legitimate to me.

There is censorship of illegal streaming sites crippling the internet (Cloudflare). People are being freightened from illegal iptv boxes to watch free sports because it could be part of a botnet or residential proxy network. There are million or billion euro fines for social media and service providers like google. There is enforcement against "fast fashion". Yet there is zero effort for iot privacy, not even labels or certification for good devices.

I don't want to be cynical but face it, the EU really only cares about things that generate money for themselves or big internal market players under the disguise of consumer safety and privacy. Obviously that also comes with some good effects but the perverse incentives are enormous from which we must not be blinded by ideology and warm feelings of our politicians being good and working for the people and the common good.

Re: 216M Spy TVs – The LG Smart TV Problem [video]

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Post by Asmod4n »

harha wrote: post #95
8fingerlouie wrote: post #52

My TVs are on the IoT network so that I can control them from Home Assistant, but they're blocked from accessing the internet. DNS lookups are redirected or blocked (53 redirected to my local DNS resolver, 853 blocked), and DoH is blocked as best effort though it's hard to block HTTP DNS traffic, which again is why the devices are blocked in the firewall. All streaming is done via AppleTV, which is a platform I trust…

If you're streaming via AppleTV, why do you need to give the TV itself access to the network?

There is sadly no hdmi CEC support on Most GPUs for pcs. So when you want your tv to turn on and off with your pc it is only possible with the tv being reachable from your pc via ip.

I believe LG doesn’t advertise such an api via Bluetooth

Re: 216M Spy TVs – The LG Smart TV Problem [video]

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Post by gnz11 »

unixhero wrote: post #131
throw93947309 wrote: post #123

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This. Why would you even connect TV to the network? It is well known for like 5 years. Smsrt TVs go through your movies library, and upload screenshots and filenames to internet. Some will start showing ads after firmware upgrade.

They do screenshot? Do you have a source so I can read more?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automatic_content_recognition

Re: 216M Spy TVs – The LG Smart TV Problem [video]

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Post by wongarsu »

unixhero wrote: post #131
throw93947309 wrote: post #123

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This. Why would you even connect TV to the network? It is well known for like 5 years. Smsrt TVs go through your movies library, and upload screenshots and filenames to internet. Some will start showing ads after firmware upgrade.

They do screenshot? Do you have a source so I can read more?

https://www.ftc.gov/business-guidance/blog/2017/02/what-vizi...

"Starting in 2014, Vizio made TVs that automatically tracked what consumers were watching and transmitted that data back to its servers. Vizio even retrofitted older models by installing its tracking software remotely. All of this, the FTC and AG allege, was done without clearly telling consumers or getting their consent.

...

"Vizio collected a selection of pixels on the screen that it matched to a database of TV, movie, and commercial content

https://arxiv.org/pdf/2409.06203 shows LG and Samsung doing something similar

Re: 216M Spy TVs – The LG Smart TV Problem [video]

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Post by pferde »

medwards666 wrote: post #115

This sort of blanket data collection needs to be made illegal in every single jurisdiction, and have _very_ robust penalties for anyone found in breach of them.

And those jurisdictions need to have people not susceptible to bribery or extortion by the corporations making those data collection devices. That's a big ask.
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