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216M Spy TVs – The LG Smart TV Problem [video]

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Re: 216M Spy TVs – The LG Smart TV Problem [video]

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Post by secretsatan »

ionwake wrote: post #90

I know its important to put things down to coincidence whenever possible, but a very expensive Bang OLufsen ( I think they use LG ) TV would turn itself off at "the" most interesting split second moments during gameplay , to the point where I thought "if I am being pranked by a friend, does this TV even stream its contents?". Much to my surprise I found out that many modern TVs do in fact come with dev mode that allo…

Most tvs now come with auto off kou have to cancel with a button press, prob just that.

Normally they show a warning, but i just got a new tcl, and it’s warning is very short leading to shutdown if you don’t pause quick enough to reset it

Re: 216M Spy TVs – The LG Smart TV Problem [video]

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Post by 8fingerlouie »

harha wrote: post #95
8fingerlouie wrote: post #52

My TVs are on the IoT network so that I can control them from Home Assistant, but they're blocked from accessing the internet. DNS lookups are redirected or blocked (53 redirected to my local DNS resolver, 853 blocked), and DoH is blocked as best effort though it's hard to block HTTP DNS traffic, which again is why the devices are blocked in the firewall. All streaming is done via AppleTV, which is a platform I trust…

If you're streaming via AppleTV, why do you need to give the TV itself access to the network?

I use Home Assistant to turn on/off the TV via automations, sensors, etc.

I could possibly do it via HDMI CEC, but I have a couple of Sony Bravia TVs that more often than not completely ignores that, so I prefer having control over assuming it happens.

Re: 216M Spy TVs – The LG Smart TV Problem [video]

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Post by gpvos »

jck86 wrote: post #101
polotics wrote: post #45

GDPR compliance lawsuitssss in 3...

Somehow the EU only appears to target big wealthy service providers. I wonder why.

Please bring your actual argument instead of insinuating stuff.

Anyway, the EU's reasons seem to be entirely legitimate to me.

Re: 216M Spy TVs – The LG Smart TV Problem [video]

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Post by rob74 »

Makes me glad I bought a Sony TV which has the microphone on the remote - and is compatible with older remotes without a microphone, so the new remote with its microphone and sponsored streaming service buttons gathers dust (without batteries inserted) while I use an old remote.

Re: 216M Spy TVs – The LG Smart TV Problem [video]

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Post by ErigmolCt »

Lio wrote: post #44

In an age where AI can search vast amounts of data having something in your home or workplace turning what it hears into text looks like a problem waiting to happen. E.g. As soon as someone proves LG, Samsung, etc. recorded and stored credit card details and knowingly have weak security this is going to be a massive business liability. That's an easy one to put a compensation figure on but there's probably all sorts…

At that point network isolation stops looking like a privacy preference and starts looking like an adversarial relationship with a product you own

Re: 216M Spy TVs – The LG Smart TV Problem [video]

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Post by ionwake »

Nition wrote: post #105
ionwake wrote: post #90

I know its important to put things down to coincidence whenever possible, but a very expensive Bang OLufsen ( I think they use LG ) TV would turn itself off at "the" most interesting split second moments during gameplay , to the point where I thought "if I am being pranked by a friend, does this TV even stream its contents?". Much to my surprise I found out that many modern TVs do in fact come with dev mode that allo…

Did it ever turn itself off after you made those settings changes?

Im not here to feed conspiracy theories and paranoia, its most likely a coincidence, and tied to having "excess metrics and advanced features that indirectly cause a kernel panic that turns the tv off".

But yes, after turning a bunch of unnecessary default options off, my TV never restarted again just as I was making a clutch moment.

So in summary - remember it could just be related to high action moment fps drain, heat, high intensity stuff making the nintendo switch2 compatibility cause a kernel affected restart etc etc etc ( which is documented via the HDMI protocols ) which make it SEEM like something weird is up, but it turns out its a related thing thats not that sus.

Re: 216M Spy TVs – The LG Smart TV Problem [video]

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Post by 8fingerlouie »

Eji1700 wrote: post #87
8fingerlouie wrote: post #52

My TVs are on the IoT network so that I can control them from Home Assistant, but they're blocked from accessing the internet. DNS lookups are redirected or blocked (53 redirected to my local DNS resolver, 853 blocked), and DoH is blocked as best effort though it's hard to block HTTP DNS traffic, which again is why the devices are blocked in the firewall. All streaming is done via AppleTV, which is a platform I trust…

And then your neighbor spins up an unprotected network or something like xfinity which they could have a deal with and it connects there and phones home anyways.

And what exactly would they use that particular access path for ?

I could see a threat if the TV had access to the internet and could establish a TLS tunnel or similar from the mothership, and execute commands on my LAN (or IoT network as it stands), and report back. That could establish a command & control channel that could potentially orchestrate an attack on my infrastructure via the TV.

However, reporting that "network X exists and has these devices" over a different network complicates things a fair bit. In theory they could still use the TV as a command and control platform, but it would have to switch networks between my closed network and the open network in order to execute commands and report results. Not saying it's impossible, just very unlikely.

Besides, the TVs are not alone in being cut off from the internet. I have two IoT networks, one for trusted devices (AppleTVs, Sonos, and the likes), and one for untrusted devices like TVs. They run on different VLANs, and anything on the untrusted IoT network can pretty much only talk to itself (client isolation) and the gateway, and there's no internet and no open ports to any other VLAN.

Re: 216M Spy TVs – The LG Smart TV Problem [video]

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Post by ErigmolCt »

rob74 wrote: post #114

Makes me glad I bought a Sony TV which has the microphone on the remote - and is compatible with older remotes without a microphone, so the new remote with its microphone and sponsored streaming service buttons gathers dust (without batteries inserted) while I use an old remote.

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