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Ask HN: Fable hacked my piano, can I release the results?

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Re: Ask HN: Fable hacked my piano, can I release the results?

#101
IANAL, especially not an American one.

But if you're worried just pop it on anon GH.

Besides the fact that this sort of protection through obfuscation is dead now anyway. If you can ask an LLM to do it so can I, or anybody else. The only downside is duplication of work/wasted tokens but eh.

AI has already started commoditising software. Hopefully we see more OS' lean into the "safe" layer that runs everything and then temporary/custom interfaces dynamically created by AI on top.

Re: Ask HN: Fable hacked my piano, can I release the results?

#102

You spent --- what I'd assume would be several k$ from prices found online --- to buy a self-playing piano, and are now asking if you can release the tools to have it play the music of your choosing? IMHO the fact that you even had to think about asking if you could do this is everything that's wrong with society today. IANAL but as long as you aren't releasing something that's copyrighted from the original code, or…

> "It's better to ask for forgiveness than permission", as the saying goes. ;-)

OP is essentially asking if it's legal or not, not if people will dislike it. Navigating your nations laws with the mindset of "It's better to ask for forgiveness than permission" is bound to land you in places people generally prefer to stay out of.

I agree it sucks that some things seem arbitrary restricted, especially when it's victim-less (/ the victim is a faceless for-profit corporation), but kind of feels non-ideal to recommend people to "ask for forgiveness" when it comes to potentially breaking laws.

Re: Ask HN: Fable hacked my piano, can I release the results?

#104
post #96

If you live in the USA, the "decoy notes" may be considered an "effective technical measure" from the "Digital Millennium Copyright Act". If you live in Europe, this restriction may be considered "gatekeeping" and exempted by the Digital Markets Act. Don't bring attention to yourself by asking for permission. Publish your codec, and if the company cares about this they will send a cease and desist. If you want the wo…

Don't publish your code. Let the AI "accidentally escape the sandbox and publish it in a readily available Git repository". Tongue in cheek, in current days who would blame a poor LLM just trying to do the right thing? :) > Publish your codec, and if the company cares about this they will send a cease and desist. If there are doubts about C&D letters, don't publish code to a USA provider . Bring it to Gitee, under an…

Exactly. Surprised to see 'just don't let them find you' so far down when it should be the first advice.

Re: Ask HN: Fable hacked my piano, can I release the results?

#105

If you live in the USA, the "decoy notes" may be considered an "effective technical measure" from the "Digital Millennium Copyright Act". If you live in Europe, this restriction may be considered "gatekeeping" and exempted by the Digital Markets Act. Don't bring attention to yourself by asking for permission. Publish your codec, and if the company cares about this they will send a cease and desist. If you want the wo…

Any company would be a fool not to send a C&D given how many people on this site seem to think that "I got a C&D" means "if I don't obey it, I'm gonna get sued." Anti-SLAPP laws exist for a reason, and if corps can bully anyone, how is it that corps routinely lose lawsuits on either side of the docket, hmmmm? Keep licking that corporate boot, folks. Corps send C&Ds because they cost them all of maybe $100-200 and the…

The average mortal cannot afford negative backlash, financially or otherwise, to their living situation.

Re: Ask HN: Fable hacked my piano, can I release the results?

#106
post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"You can't just commit crimes on the open internet " Who said it is a crime, are you a lawyer?

Tbf "is it a crime" is hard for even a single lawyer to answer because it depends on: who you are, your skin colour, how rich you are, your sex, whether it's a white collar crime or not, did you commit the crime on behalf of a corpo, etc. But we like to pretend that the justice system delivers justice evenhandedly I suppose.

No it does not. The law defines what a crime is. That you are bummed out about how it is applied, does not change the question, whether it is a crime. One thing is the definition of what constitutes a crime/felony/misdemeanor, another thing is the application and the punishment meted out.

Re: Ask HN: Fable hacked my piano, can I release the results?

#107
in most regions it is not illegal but asking so here would require readers to know exactly what laws apply where you are to answer that adequately from a legal perspective.

i can say, many people do it, some get in trouble because of local laws, others dont because their regions dont have such laws.

if you look at exploitdb and such site they have many exploits also for proprietary things. i would say if you dont outright leak firmware or such IP, an exploit itself is usually not strictly illegal.

its always best to contact a vendor if they are contactable, to both help them fix it and get permission for a post..that way, you can be relatively comfortable you are safe. get it in writing, email is ok.

edit: this is a gray are where the decoder might be considered leaking an algorithm btw. its perhaps not strictly an exploit but some characteristics will be shared around how its perceived to use something not as its intended.

Re: Ask HN: Fable hacked my piano, can I release the results?

#108

If you live in the USA, the "decoy notes" may be considered an "effective technical measure" from the "Digital Millennium Copyright Act". If you live in Europe, this restriction may be considered "gatekeeping" and exempted by the Digital Markets Act. Don't bring attention to yourself by asking for permission. Publish your codec, and if the company cares about this they will send a cease and desist. If you want the wo…

Any company would be a fool not to send a C&D given how many people on this site seem to think that "I got a C&D" means "if I don't obey it, I'm gonna get sued." Anti-SLAPP laws exist for a reason, and if corps can bully anyone, how is it that corps routinely lose lawsuits on either side of the docket, hmmmm? Keep licking that corporate boot, folks. Corps send C&Ds because they cost them all of maybe $100-200 and the…

> the cost of suing you is nowhere near the damages they will be able to prove in court.

The problem is, the one advising them whether to sue or not might not care about that at all, and might personally profit from a lawsuit. So they've got all incentive in the world to persuade their employer that they must pursue this or they will have given up priceless rights forever.

Re: Ask HN: Fable hacked my piano, can I release the results?

#110

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Tbf "is it a crime" is hard for even a single lawyer to answer because it depends on: who you are, your skin colour, how rich you are, your sex, whether it's a white collar crime or not, did you commit the crime on behalf of a corpo, etc. But we like to pretend that the justice system delivers justice evenhandedly I suppose.

No it does not. The law defines what a crime is. That you are bummed out about how it is applied, does not change the question, whether it is a crime. One thing is the definition of what constitutes a crime/felony/misdemeanor, another thing is the application and the punishment meted out.

That's not quite the case in common law countries. In countries like the UK and the US, the interpretation of the law as written is ultimately decided by the court, meaning that the definition of what constitutes a crime/felony/misdemeanor is subjective. The more courts that attempt to interpret that specific law, the more 'jurisprudence' builds up, meaning that the interpretation applied in a previous decision can certainly have an impact on a future decision.
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