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Private German rocket makes history, reaches orbit from European soil

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Re: Private German rocket makes history, reaches orbit from European soil

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rbanffy wrote: post #343
panick21_ wrote: post #260

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What nonsense, most Europeans who are not politically super active might watch some US movies and consume things from the US like IPhones, but that doesn't mean obsessed. Most people are just mildly amused by US politics. You have serious selection bias if you think something else.

Perhaps, but most people don’t think about those things as US things. As for iPhones they were “designed in Cupertino” but made in China like almost everything else these days.

I bet most people associate IPhones more with the US then China.

Re: Private German rocket makes history, reaches orbit from European soil

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peterfirefly wrote: post #293
panick21_ wrote: post #262

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Yeah the world piece like all the wars in the middle east, Vietnam, proxy conflicts all over the world and so on and so on. I'm not blaming the US for all of these wars but they also didn't prevent them. And the US did overthrow many democracies and often made things much worse, Iran being a great example, but there are many others. I could go on. Peace in Europe was maintained mostly by people in democracies general…

> Vietnam The US was actually on the right side in that one (just like in Korea). The Communists were not exactly the good guys and their "agricultural and personnel reforms" lead to drastically reduced food production and starvation and death. Blame the US for real things instead, such as supporting the wrong side in Afghanistan in the '80s or ensuring the survival of the Soviet Union in the '40s.

You can be technically 'right' by some definition and an intervention still not being a good thing.

The Southern regime was incredibly corrupt and dominated by land owners. Look at the Philippines for an example of what happens to a US 'colony' where the land lords are in control.

Communist Vietnam did some bad reforms yes, but they also changed and eventually did a lot of good things, turning the country into what it is today.

The US spent decades of war propping up a regime that was mostly incapable and killed a lot of people in the meantime.

Re: Private German rocket makes history, reaches orbit from European soil

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Post by panick21_ »

frm88 wrote: post #364
kakacik wrote: post #309

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Tell it to cca 2 millions civilians that died in Vietnam as a direct result of failed US invasion (I really mean just civilians mostly bombed into oblivion, entire human lives list is around 3 million). As in, vast majority of them would be alive is US didn't try their failed adventure. Tonkin gulf is a classic US made up war for power mongering reasons. Telling 'we're the good guys' while regularly bombing entire vi…

If you guys didn't support Soviet union in 40s... You can go even farther back in time. If the US hadn't massively relieved the famine in Russia in 1920/21 there might have been a chance, Lenin and the Bolshevik regime wouldn't have survived. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_famine_of_1921%E2%80%9...

I'm sorry but famine help is a good thing, not saving millions of people because it might potentially overthrow a government 'somehow' isn't a great plan.

One can argue FDR later embrace of Soviets was way to early and a direct stab in the back to France and other European powers.

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Post by _djo_ »

torginus wrote: post #438
peterfirefly wrote: post #293

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> Vietnam The US was actually on the right side in that one (just like in Korea). The Communists were not exactly the good guys and their "agricultural and personnel reforms" lead to drastically reduced food production and starvation and death. Blame the US for real things instead, such as supporting the wrong side in Afghanistan in the '80s or ensuring the survival of the Soviet Union in the '40s.

That is an objectively incorrect take. A common theme in disastrous US interventions was that they tried to prop-up a failing colonial power, which in this case was France - against the locals who wanted independence. Ho Chi Minh was a French-educated leader who only entered the orbit of the USSR after failing to secure support for Vietnamese independence frome the West.

The US only became actively involved in supporting South Vietnam a decade after it had achieved independence from France in 1955, after the negotiated division into North and South Vietnam in Geneva, and after the last French forces left in 1956.

The cause of that intervention was North Vietnam sending Viet Cong insurgents into South Vietnam, attempting to overthrow the government, and ignoring the South's sovereignty.

That doesn't justify the US's later transgressions while engaged in the war, but their initial support to South Vietnam was neither unjustified nor illiberal.

Re: Private German rocket makes history, reaches orbit from European soil

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Post by rbanffy »

NetMageSCW wrote: post #447
rbanffy wrote: post #329

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> because we live in the software world where if you see something that is done then cloning it is generally just a matter of time and effort. But there's certainly some 'secret sauce' at SpaceX that does not seem easy to replicate In software, thanks mostly to the open-source movement, we all have access to the same materials and manufacturing processes. In manufacturing, there are huge differences in materials and…

To be clear, it was NASA that was unwilling to have a ground landing on the abort engines.

I am sure they were concerned the spacecraft exploded during a hover test.

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Post by DemocracyFTW2 »

sinuhe69 wrote: post #252

Congratulations! An immensely important achievement, I’d say. IMO, this success has a great implication for accessibility and sovereignty of the EU. Although ESA can launch from French Guiana, the spaceport is an ocean-away from Europe! That fact alone affects the cost and the launch cadence for Europe greatly. Now they prove they can launch directly from Norway with their own production from Munich and elsewhere and…

> Europe can have a Starlink similar network

Please don't, this is madness.

Re: Private German rocket makes history, reaches orbit from European soil

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Post by DemocracyFTW2 »

1294899 wrote: post #390
dakolli wrote: post #339

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Dont worry the US will hoodwink Europe back into be a compliant vassal of the Empire in a few years when they elect a democrat who pretends to be liberal and acting in good faith, probably AOC(ia).

Why is this downvoted? This is exactly how US foreign policy works. The only difference with Trump is that he says things out loud. This is 100% what is going to happen. US foreign policy relies on deception and decade long plans. The big plans are ruling the Middle East and squash opposition (Libya, Egypt, Syria, Iraq done, Iran pending). To that end Russia had to be kept busy, therefore the Ukraine proxy war, which…

> The only difference with Trump is that he says things out loud.

The only problem with Flat Earthers is that they say things out loud. Also, grabbing other people by their **ies.

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