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GrapheneOS Overhauled Default Apps and Secure Clipboard

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Re: GrapheneOS Overhauled Default Apps and Secure Clipboard

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I hope they replace the AOSP keyboard with FUTO keyboard. I'm mostly fine with the other stock apps, but that keyboard was the one thing I absolutely had to end up replacing due to its jenky behavior.

Probably never happening in the next millennium. GrapheneOS has a gripe against FUTO because it is tied to Louis Rossmann, which dared to challenge GrapheneOS's social skills in the past.

Re: GrapheneOS Overhauled Default Apps and Secure Clipboard

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Our port of Messaging to Compose was clearly not vibe coded as both the parent comment and yours are wrongly portraying it. Experienced developers have been working on overhauling the app for months with a lot of back and forth code review to get the pull requests into shape. We don't have a policy against using AI for assistance as long as the resulting code meets our high standards. We definitely use frontier AI mo…

How did my comment portray your port as you are vibecoding it? I just said that AI is being used. It seems obvious to me that you guys would use it responsibly.

I appreciate all the hard work the Graphene team has done all these years with advancing alternative mobile OS and have been following them for years so I hope they don’t take this the wrong way -

The project would benefit from more polished, professional image/interactions with the community. I (personally) have a hard time trusting my data to a project that is constantly bickering (“no, we don’t vibecode, did you even look at the repo”) in public forums like this under the official letterhead account.

I’d love to see y’all discussing these types of technical details with individual, identifiable (even under fixed pseudonyms if you want) developers’ accounts, and leaving the official letterhead account to stick to posting marketing material.

Just my 2 cents.

Re: GrapheneOS Overhauled Default Apps and Secure Clipboard

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They are really creating a lot of buzz recently. I love it, I hope they succeed beyond just us geeks here. It is imho imperative for a fair and balanced technological society that it retains the means for truly private and secure communications.

My devices help me think, and my thoughts are my own. That is a fundamental condition of human-hood. Sure we can change that, if that's what we want, but do we? If we do, do we make it a conscious choice per person? Or do we let big tech/corporatocracy dictate what it is to be human?

Re: GrapheneOS Overhauled Default Apps and Secure Clipboard

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They are using AI [1]. I don't think messaging app is non-critical though. [1] https://github.com/GrapheneOS/Camera/tree/compose

Our port of Messaging to Compose was clearly not vibe coded as both the parent comment and yours are wrongly portraying it. Experienced developers have been working on overhauling the app for months with a lot of back and forth code review to get the pull requests into shape. We don't have a policy against using AI for assistance as long as the resulting code meets our high standards. We definitely use frontier AI mo…

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Re: GrapheneOS Overhauled Default Apps and Secure Clipboard

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One of the parties involved in a call recording it is not surveillance. It's comparable to having chat logs for text messaging. Contrary to what you've claimed, vast majority of US states have one party consent for call recording. GrapheneOS Foundation is based in Canada where one party consent is the law. Our feature is designed for people to comply with the law in jurisdictions requiring two party consent. It shows…

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You've made multiple comments disparaging GrapheneOS because of two minor features it provides. Both features are fully legal for GrapheneOS to include. Both are legal to use as long as people follow applicable laws. Both our regular call recording and automatic call recording features display a prominent warning to users about following call recording consent laws. Proceeding requires accepting the dialog acknowledg…

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Re: GrapheneOS Overhauled Default Apps and Secure Clipboard

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How did my comment portray your port as you are vibecoding it? I just said that AI is being used. It seems obvious to me that you guys would use it responsibly.

I appreciate all the hard work the Graphene team has done all these years with advancing alternative mobile OS and have been following them for years so I hope they don’t take this the wrong way - The project would benefit from more polished, professional image/interactions with the community. I (personally) have a hard time trusting my data to a project that is constantly bickering (“no, we don’t vibecode, did you e…

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Re: GrapheneOS Overhauled Default Apps and Secure Clipboard

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Heliboard is good, customizable, and actually open source - GPL3.

If you are referring to Heliboard as an AOSP board replacement, that cannot work, GrapheneOS cannot use GPLv3 projects. If you mean it as a user installed app, please disregard.

Could you please elaborate? I wouldn't think this causes an issue unless they need to link against it, which I don't think they do.

Re: GrapheneOS Overhauled Default Apps and Secure Clipboard

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Thanks for clarification. Anything first party from Big Tech is a lost cause privacy wise. At the same time, nobody uses it (maybe that is different in the USA, don't know). So for me this would be ultra-low prio as I (and I expect almost every other GOS user) will never use it. But I believe GOS knows what it is doing.

I assume many people would use it due to SMS concerns and difficulty having people move to other platforms. I would personally use it as a fallback to Signal since my current fallback is SMS, which I dont like. If the protocol is properly e2ee, it does not matter who backs it or hosts it. GrapheneOS would be in control of the client which is what matters in an e2ee system.

GrapheneOS would be in control of the client which is what matters in an e2ee system.

Not really... You will be communicating with other people who don't use GrapheneOS and if you are e.g. communicating with iPhone users who have iCloud backups enabled (most iPhone users) and did not opt in to ADP (against most iPhone users), the chats are only encrypted at-rest in the iCloud backups and are accessible by Apple and law enforcement.

Signal is way better because it opts out iCloud backups (and Android backups) in favor of truly end-to-end encrypted backups.

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RCS allows higher resolution pictures than MMS.

RCS provides far better support for group chats, many small feature improvements and end-to-end encryption (E2EE) via Messaging Layer Security (MLS). E2EE for talking to GMS Android and iOS users without them needing to install another app is the main reason we care about it, but far better group chat support matters too. iPhone users very often don't want to have SMS/MMS users in their group chats.

This is a very US-centric (and maybe Canada) thing though? Most of the rest of the world doesn't really use or care about iMessage, even on iPhones. So, I think it's rather

-US- iPhone users very often don't want to have SMS/MMS users in their group chats.

The rest of the world is using WhatsApp, WeChat, Telegram, Snapchat, LINE, etc. for group chats (for better or worse), even on iPhone.

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