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How I feel about AI

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Re: How I feel about AI

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Post by bayindirh »

tim333 wrote: post #211
hn_throwaway_99 wrote: post #97

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I agree with your points. My problem is that I don't see any way to "stop" AI development at a level just below human capability where you get most of the benefits but still have humans firmly in control. Regarding entertainment jobs like sports star, musician, artist, actor, etc., the problem is those are professions where, for the most part, only the very best can make a living. Nobody is that interested in seeing…

If we have money / goods from the AI making them then we can spend time getting the golf handicap down from 22 to 18 or singing mediocrely.

This was always the promise of “tomorrow”, yet the opposite is true.

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Post by litmus-pit-git »

mannanj wrote: post #251
litmus-pit-git wrote: post #191

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I know where you are coming from. I do engage with the society while not in the way you've mentioned. Very regularly attend plays, meet a few friends (the number has reduced but these few have been regular), play team/group sports every day. There's place I go to teach twice a week. There are few other things. But let's not get into that. It all feels empty now. Motions. The hope of a personal and intimate future is…

So what are you looking for? What do you want out of this thing called life? I wonder what advice you would give to yourself now, 20 years from now, and whether you have really lost hope permanently or are just struggling to find it again?

There are vague dreams of some sort of professional fulfilment (call it success as society calls it; monetary gains again ie an income stream; the feeling of making something that is tangible at some level - it might be a software; and definitely not feeling almost obsolete and this time for no fault of mine at all) and all of them get checked by non-vague wish/dream/yearning for personal fulfilment - a partner, a family, possibly a child, a simple house et cetera. The pain is I might already have the money, had I been younger, and if I fight enough might get more. But the rest? Well, the 6-7 years just wiped a lot of things. A lot of these things are not feasible for me now. Not in a setup, or a partner who I'd have wanted to be with - that combo just doesn't exist anymore. That's gone for my existence in this world at this point in time at this age and at this professional and financial status.

This is getting muddled. The pain is the time is lost and there were certain fulfilments I'd have wanted to have in this period and that's gone for me.

Hah. 20 years later? I'd advise myself to try and go back to 25-28 again and think seriously about getting married or actively date while there was still time and work strictly for money because later either that changes or that'd mean remain stuck in same orgs for long and for what - low salaries and a good team/work? See, I right now want satisfaction and bit of money but I want to tell my younger self to just earn filthy amount of money one way or the other. I can see that disconnect. But had I had "that kind of money" and that could just be, let's just talk numbers for a moment, 2-3x of what I've right now and I could have sped up and make better efforts at getting what I want from my personal life.

I am scared I have lost hope for good but if there's something there left I want to try and get that. I am trying everyday. Maybe that's what hope is, or maybe just the meaningless struggle.

Hey, thanks again. You too, take care.

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Post by ben_w »

jere wrote: post #248
ben_w wrote: post #221

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> I have complex emotions here (overall dread and especially hate for slop, since it's not just bad quality but also endless lies), but no one cares about that nuance. Many do, but I sympathise for your general point. I think the loudest voices… well, the boosters mostly own the platforms, and half of them already had terrible reputations; the normal people who hate it garner a lot of sympathy for entirely understand…

Did y'all reach any consensus on that?

On if using the AI to help reduce risk, being a good or bad idea?

Not really. Yudkowsky has just recently posted a blog-sized comment which compares most attempts to know if the AI is misleading you while it does so, unfavourably, with people who think they've found a way to violate conservation of momentum.

Specifically, if you think you've found a way, you've probably bodged the maths and not noticed; and that science doesn't work by debate it works by experiment.

Some of the replies (me included) are like "hang on, this isn't shaped like physics, it's shaped like maths; debate does work for maths".

Then again, I also noted I'm skeptical of the AI companies putting in the effort to do this kind of testing, or listening when the answer is "no": Race dynamics, and their money depends on the answer not being an emergency stop button.

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Post by tim333 »

bayindirh wrote: post #261
tim333 wrote: post #211

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If we have money / goods from the AI making them then we can spend time getting the golf handicap down from 22 to 18 or singing mediocrely.

This was always the promise of “tomorrow”, yet the opposite is true.

AI doing human jobs has never happened before though.

That said I expect humans will work at stuff because the prefer to do that.

Re: How I feel about AI

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Post by kgwgk »

tapete1 wrote: post #260
kgwgk wrote: post #3

Is it that someone came up with the idea of forbidding the word “how”?

Well, any article whose headline starts with "how" is always bad quality and/or clickbait.

Ah, I see. Therefore, removing the first word of those headlines improves the quality of the articles. Makes sense!

However, the mangled headlines make me more likely to click through. Maybe they could leave the “how” and add a footnote: “WARNING: This headline starts with a word known to the State of California to be click-baitish.”

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Post by me-at »

mvkel wrote: post #34
Crabber wrote: post #18

>a superintelligent AI will inevitably destroy humanity Can someone please explain to me how an LLM is going to "destroy humanity"? Even if the claims of ChatGPT, Claude et al. are true that their super scary agents were able to escape a sandbox and start hacking other servers (which I feel is at least 50% likely to just be marketing bullshit), how is an AI going to affect anything in the real world? Perhaps an agent…

This is some Terminator version of destroying humanity, but a super intelligent AI could be much more insidious, and simple. It looks a lot more like social engineering. One easy, obvious example that has also been explored a thousand times: it could convince all nuclear countries that they are under attack by another nuclear country. Everyone nukes each other and Earth enters nuclear winter. Maybe not every single h…

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Re: How I feel about AI

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Post by mvkel »

mjr00 wrote: post #225
mvkel wrote: post #223

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> The internet has already been turned off in localized areas This is an oxymoron.

> This is an oxymoron. Huh? Not really, internet shutdowns are a documented and real thing. Suggested reading (all of which refer to the internet as being shut down or blacked out): [0] [1] [2] The fact that you need to connect to the internet through a service provider plus mostly-centralized control of infrastructure like DNS or BGP means shutting down the internet is a real thing that has been done several times.…

So you're saying temporarily cutting off internet access in a specific geographical region is destroying the internet?

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Post by andrekandre »

hn_throwaway_99 wrote: post #165
simianwords wrote: post #141

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Privileged rich people want scarcity to exist so that it gives meaning to their job. wut.

I think this line of thinking is a huge disservice to people in third world countries and poverty. People everywhere want to find goals and motivations that move them forward. Just look at the legions of people that have moved from Chinese rural areas to big cities. For many, many people, life in the cities is worse and kind of dystopian - much more overcrowding, "drone-like" jobs indoors, horrible pollution, and esp…

  > People everywhere want to strive, work hard and get ahead.
i think you need to visit more countries and cultures because you would discover this is not at all true
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