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I refused to train the AI that could replace me

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Re: I refused to train the AI that could replace me

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Post by arjie »

unleashhale wrote: post #26
eru wrote: post #15

People have objected to training their replacements since forever. Younger people, foreigners, now machines. What else is new? I don't think you are under any moral or ethical obligation to train your replacement. But I don't think the decision makes much of a difference one way or another in the grand scheme of things. > You may ask: Why would anyone agree to train an AI model in the very skills they took years to a…

Just like how the car gave us back so many more hours to spend actually living instead of working. And the washing machine. And the computer. And the Internet.

All of these things have been marvelous. The washing machine in particular is such a marvel that almost all Amish use one.

Re: I refused to train the AI that could replace me

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Post by left-struck »

arjie wrote: post #51
unleashhale wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just like how the car gave us back so many more hours to spend actually living instead of working. And the washing machine. And the computer. And the Internet.

All of these things have been marvelous. The washing machine in particular is such a marvel that almost all Amish use one.

While our time working at home has definitely gone down, our time at work hasn’t though. The point is our employers just expect more, and the benefits of whatever new efficiency is gained, if any, are not passed onto those at the bottom or middle.

Re: I refused to train the AI that could replace me

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Post by vrganj »

Markoff wrote: post #23

It's nice, but it won't change anything, there will be always someone willing to do it. It's not exactly trolley problem, where maybe significant majority could agree on not training AI. > Traditionally, this decision was made by humans, but now AI has taken over, and decides who gets hired Btw. this would be illegal in EU, you have the right not to be subject to a decision based solely on automated processing.

Thank God for the EU and its regulations. The people decrying them are the ones it's stopping from building dystopia.

Re: I refused to train the AI that could replace me

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Post by seanmcdirmid »

unleashhale wrote: post #26
eru wrote: post #15

People have objected to training their replacements since forever. Younger people, foreigners, now machines. What else is new? I don't think you are under any moral or ethical obligation to train your replacement. But I don't think the decision makes much of a difference one way or another in the grand scheme of things. > You may ask: Why would anyone agree to train an AI model in the very skills they took years to a…

Just like how the car gave us back so many more hours to spend actually living instead of working. And the washing machine. And the computer. And the Internet.

Increased productivity is nothing to sneeze at even if you work the same amount of hours. The real problem with AI is that the productivity benefits are focused with the owners and not the workers.

Re: I refused to train the AI that could replace me

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Post by hakimg »

left-struck wrote: post #52
arjie wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

All of these things have been marvelous. The washing machine in particular is such a marvel that almost all Amish use one.

While our time working at home has definitely gone down, our time at work hasn’t though. The point is our employers just expect more, and the benefits of whatever new efficiency is gained, if any, are not passed onto those at the bottom or middle.

Hours spent at work have also gone down over the decades and leisure time has gone up. Even if that stat wasn't true and we all spent the same amount of time working more productively then that would still be good for society at large.

This attitude of unwillingness to do anything except for direct personal gain isn't good for the world and isn't good for yourself.

Re: I refused to train the AI that could replace me

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Post by seanmcdirmid »

thin_carapace wrote: post #20
eru wrote: post #15

People have objected to training their replacements since forever. Younger people, foreigners, now machines. What else is new? I don't think you are under any moral or ethical obligation to train your replacement. But I don't think the decision makes much of a difference one way or another in the grand scheme of things. > You may ask: Why would anyone agree to train an AI model in the very skills they took years to a…

I don't want to attack your good faith in humanity, so I will ask another way - if a system was reliant on workers, what reason would there be for those workers to exist , after their work became automated?

Why do humans need to work to exist?

We just need a new model for existing that isn’t based on labor. We should have started working on these problems in 2016 when it was obvious they were coming, but we elected a regressive twice to help us go backwards instead.

Re: I refused to train the AI that could replace me

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Post by Melatonic »

amelius wrote: post #44
bjelkeman-again wrote: post #22

If it is that or starve, the I would probably have taken the job. But yeah, if there where alternatives, no thanks.

Yes, this is basically the inverse of: "Give a man a fish, and you feed him for a day; teach a man to fish, and you feed him for a lifetime."

Fish Skynet?

Re: I refused to train the AI that could replace me

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Post by consp »

eru wrote: post #15

People have objected to training their replacements since forever. Younger people, foreigners, now machines. What else is new? I don't think you are under any moral or ethical obligation to train your replacement. But I don't think the decision makes much of a difference one way or another in the grand scheme of things. > You may ask: Why would anyone agree to train an AI model in the very skills they took years to a…

> I don't think you are under any moral or ethical obligation to train your replacement.

Depending on where you live, there might not even be a legal obligation.

Re: I refused to train the AI that could replace me

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Post by jaggederest »

left-struck wrote: post #52
arjie wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

All of these things have been marvelous. The washing machine in particular is such a marvel that almost all Amish use one.

While our time working at home has definitely gone down, our time at work hasn’t though. The point is our employers just expect more, and the benefits of whatever new efficiency is gained, if any, are not passed onto those at the bottom or middle.

This is the fault of the distribution of the benefits, not of the technologies themselves, at least in so far as they don't actively accelerate the shift of value from labor to capital. Washing machines reduce drudgery no matter who owns them.
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