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Re: Keep Our Servers Running

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Post by AnthonyMouse »

ssl-3 wrote: post #57
0xDEAFBEAD wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why are you guys getting worked up over this? What's wrong with donors wanting to be anonymous?

It's OK for a donor that provides matching funds to wish for, and to be granted, anonymity. It's also OK for primary donors to be suspicious of this for any reason that they choose, including no reason at all. Maybe the matching-funds donor is all peachy and clean. Maybe they're the root of all evil. We don't know. This lack of knowledge doesn't let people make an informed decision, and people are allowed to seek to…

> Maybe the matching-funds donor is all peachy and clean. Maybe they're the root of all evil.

If they were the root of all evil then shouldn't you want to donate even more, to increase the amount of money they donate to the non-profit and reduce the amount they have left for their evil doings?

Re: Keep Our Servers Running

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Post by dakolli »

bulder wrote: post #44
progval wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> to DDOS sites the owner doesn't agree with to DDOS one website, which is doxxing the owner. Not that it makes it good idea, but it's a little more understandable.

DDoSing a website, modifying their archives surreptitiously to serve their own wants (which was what tipped Wikipedia towards banning their use), running weird sockpuppet campaigns to build dependence on them, and fucking with Cloudflare's DNS resolution to prevent anti-tracking measures from working. Oh and even if I wanted to ignore all of this, I couldn't use them anyways because they blackholed the majority of Fi…

archive.today has been targeted by Western institutions, like the FBI, for over a year now. Which signals to me they are the good guys.

Re: Keep Our Servers Running

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Post by John7878781 »

theletterf wrote: post #53

Be careful: paying with Google Pay is extremely easy and the default setting is monthly recurrence. If you're not logged in, the only way to cancel (as far as I know) is by sending an email, which is incredibly precarious.

in those situations, especially if the business is unresponsive, i just keep charging back until they stop. if i can subscribe easily, i should be able to cancel just as easily :)

Re: Keep Our Servers Running

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Post by warpech »

mr_mitm wrote: post #59
foo42 wrote: post #35

Internet Archive feels like an important... well, archive, yet I often worry about the load, financial and potentially political, which is put on it when people use it as a workaround for pay-walls, as is often advocated on HN

That's a different archive

Umm, no? The parent means Wayback Machine, which is a service of Internet Archive (both at archive.org). Or am I confused?

Re: Keep Our Servers Running

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Post by ssl-3 »

0xDEAFBEAD wrote: post #58
ssl-3 wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's OK for a donor that provides matching funds to wish for, and to be granted, anonymity. It's also OK for primary donors to be suspicious of this for any reason that they choose, including no reason at all. Maybe the matching-funds donor is all peachy and clean. Maybe they're the root of all evil. We don't know. This lack of knowledge doesn't let people make an informed decision, and people are allowed to seek to…

The reason to avoid working with sketchy donors is so they don't unduly influence you. If they're anonymous, how can they influence you?

Even when their matching donation is anonymous and the direct influence is zero, the orphan crushing facility wants the orphanage to be successful.

The orphanage's rising success serves to limit the supply of orphans. This means that there aren't as many free-roaming orphans available for crushing as more of them get taken off of the market.

This improves the supply-and-demand ratio for orphan-derived products. A successful orphanage means that the the orphan crushing facility can make more money while doing less of that tedious work of -- you know -- crushing orphans.

(I don't know what kind of secondary or tertiary games could be played with anonymous matching donations to archive.org; my creativity has limits. But I do know that my support for enabling people to make informed personal decisions is approximately boundless, as anything less would be stifling.)

Re: Keep Our Servers Running

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Post by radicalcentrist »

progval wrote: post #34
LeoPanthera wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Um. You mean the same site that uses its captcha page to DDOS sites the owner doesn't agree with, and was banned from use on Wikipedia because the owner was modifying the archived pages? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archive.today#2026_attack_on_G... I don't think we should be supporting this random guy, no.

> to DDOS sites the owner doesn't agree with to DDOS one website, which is doxxing the owner. Not that it makes it good idea, but it's a little more understandable.

I'm not well-informed about this situation, but DDOSing does strike me as an action which is fundamentally counter to information freedom and archival, so that seems like a reasonable suspicion to me.

Re: Keep Our Servers Running

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Post by theletterf »

John7878781 wrote: post #63
theletterf wrote: post #53

Be careful: paying with Google Pay is extremely easy and the default setting is monthly recurrence. If you're not logged in, the only way to cancel (as far as I know) is by sending an email, which is incredibly precarious.

in those situations, especially if the business is unresponsive, i just keep charging back until they stop. if i can subscribe easily, i should be able to cancel just as easily :)

Well, you can't if you paid using a debit card, like I did. Silly me.

Re: Keep Our Servers Running

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Post by ThePowerOfFuet »

klamann wrote: post #50

Does the Internet Archive have any options to donate from the EU so I can get a donation receipt from a EU based non-profit? I know there is the "Internet Archive Europe", but that seems to be a Wikimedia like thing, i.e. they don't collect funds for the IA but for whatever it is they are doing here (which is not archiving websites for some reason?).

Send EUR via SEPA transfer to GB74RBOS16107510000470. (Yes, the page only mentions wire transfer, but SEPA transfers work too, are faster, and cost everyone less.)

Source: https://help.archive.org/help/how-do-i-make-a-wire-transfer/

Re: Keep Our Servers Running

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Post by Medowar »

klamann wrote: post #50

Does the Internet Archive have any options to donate from the EU so I can get a donation receipt from a EU based non-profit? I know there is the "Internet Archive Europe", but that seems to be a Wikimedia like thing, i.e. they don't collect funds for the IA but for whatever it is they are doing here (which is not archiving websites for some reason?).

No, IA is a US non-profit, that status does not apply for EU non-profit donations as tax deductible. There also isnt really an european branch of the IA to donate to, to support the infra/core mission. The other IA Locations(Canada, EU, Swiss) are mostly idependent(probably to avoid any issues with the others, if one does have governance/legal issues), however they share the same mission in aquiring data to save and working with libraries.

Re: Keep Our Servers Running

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Post by 0xDEAFBEAD »

ssl-3 wrote: post #65
0xDEAFBEAD wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The reason to avoid working with sketchy donors is so they don't unduly influence you. If they're anonymous, how can they influence you?

Even when their matching donation is anonymous and the direct influence is zero, the orphan crushing facility wants the orphanage to be successful. The orphanage's rising success serves to limit the supply of orphans. This means that there aren't as many free-roaming orphans available for crushing as more of them get taken off of the market. This improves the supply-and-demand ratio for orphan-derived products. A suc…

I think in this hypothetical, the existence of an orphan-crushing industry should make you reluctant to donate to orphanages regardless of who's doing the donation matching.
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