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Ask HN: Fable hacked my piano, can I release the results?

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Re: Ask HN: Fable hacked my piano, can I release the results?

#51

If you live in the USA, the "decoy notes" may be considered an "effective technical measure" from the "Digital Millennium Copyright Act". If you live in Europe, this restriction may be considered "gatekeeping" and exempted by the Digital Markets Act. Don't bring attention to yourself by asking for permission. Publish your codec, and if the company cares about this they will send a cease and desist. If you want the wo…

Consider publishing the prompts used to create it.

Very little value in the prompts imho, anyone can point their LLM to that post and it’s enough

Re: Ask HN: Fable hacked my piano, can I release the results?

#53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you don't want to be responsible for it, another way is to just publish it anonymously: make a GitHub that isn't attached to your real name etc, perhaps using a one-off disposable email address, and put it there. Then you don't have to think about what the lawyers think. Worst case it'll get taken down, but by that point it'll likely be popular enough that there'll be plenty of copies. [Pirate flag emoji here]

What if the companies start auto subpoenaing the AI companies to try and tie the code to an account?

Let them do it. It will end up really well. I know the system has been protecting these companies, but that has been an economic concern as much as other motives. Now that AI is the crown jewel of economy and global dominance, let the entertainment industry have a go at it. Let them.

Re: Ask HN: Fable hacked my piano, can I release the results?

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post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What if the companies start auto subpoenaing the AI companies to try and tie the code to an account?

Maybe then using an open weights model is a good way to hide your tracks...

Or at least use an obscurer model from an obscure company, so they don't know who to subpoena.

Re: Ask HN: Fable hacked my piano, can I release the results?

#56

my experience with LLMs is that when you get answers to questions you didn't ask that it's repeating something that already exists. In other words, it probably regenerated a tool from which it was trained on.

How do you know this? How would you falsify this hypothesis?

Re: Ask HN: Fable hacked my piano, can I release the results?

#57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you don't want to be responsible for it, another way is to just publish it anonymously: make a GitHub that isn't attached to your real name etc, perhaps using a one-off disposable email address, and put it there. Then you don't have to think about what the lawyers think. Worst case it'll get taken down, but by that point it'll likely be popular enough that there'll be plenty of copies. [Pirate flag emoji here]

What if the companies start auto subpoenaing the AI companies to try and tie the code to an account?

Do companies in the US really have the right to do that? I would think that kind of investigation is reserved for law enforcement only. If the design was made over email, would the piano company be able to subpoena Google for someone's private gmail messages?

Re: Ask HN: Fable hacked my piano, can I release the results?

#58

Don’t ask Hacker News for legal advice. If you really want to know the answer, ask a lawyer.

Standard answer fit to keep the parasites fed. There is no "the answer" here, there are many answers depending on which lawyers you ask and how much you can afford to feed them.

Just release the code somewhere, anonymously, it isn't yours anyway.

Re: Ask HN: Fable hacked my piano, can I release the results?

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post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What if the companies start auto subpoenaing the AI companies to try and tie the code to an account?

Do companies in the US really have the right to do that? I would think that kind of investigation is reserved for law enforcement only. If the design was made over email, would the piano company be able to subpoena Google for someone's private gmail messages?

Attorneys can subpoena if the court approves, as part of ongoing litigation, AFAIU (IANAL).
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