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You're ooking at it from a different point of view than the author. While there are privacy concerns in handing over such data to a 3rd party, there is some merit in being able to conveniently access data from multiple devices without the headaches of managing multiple instances of it. I think given the choice, most consumers usually pick the later since convenience trumps privacy concerns...that is until privacy/own…
The author's point of view here is silly. Yes, conveniently accessing data from multiple devices is good. No, having your social security number and other personal information in the cloud is bad. I'd be willing to bet close to 99% of those people who do want their phone book in the cloud wouldn't want their record of, say, medical illnesses or sexually transmitted diseases stored on google's or apple's or facebook's…
My New Development Laptop: Samsung Chromebook
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Re: My New Development Laptop: Samsung Chromebook
#72Let me summarize a few points. I've tried to reply in-thread.
I recognize this approach isn't for everyone or for frequent air travelers, but I walk everywhere (live in SF) and like being able to take my hack context with me and pick it up wherever, whenever.
Yes there are risks: VPNs could tighten things up.
VIM is very fast, even over high latency.
Offline support is coming. I have an ubuntu running in the chromebook.
Re: My New Development Laptop: Samsung Chromebook
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Rather than just making baseless assertions about people who favor vim or emacs, please mention an IDE with the same maturity, community, cross-platform support, cross-language support, and customizability as either vim or emacs. To pick just one random alternative, let's take gedit. It looks simple and standard, which is nice. It's newer, that could be OK. It can be installed on more than one platform (though not ne…
I'm speaking from personal experience, so no it's not at all baseless. Furthermore, I don't need to satisfy your list of requirements. Those are your requirements. I want my apps built with the best power-tool that was designed for the target platform. Your list of requirements didn't include that. So, for you maybe something like vim is the "ultimate editor", but for me it doesn't fulfill the primary requirement. I…
2) He didn't tell you his list of requirements just so you would change your mind about whatever your opinion is at the moment. He did it to explain why people say what the say so fanatically. As a matter of fact, those weren't even requirements per se.
3) Regarding the "best power-tool" comment. His list of "requirements" DID INCLUDE what you just talked about. There are better tools than vim + command-line in specific cases - according to the GP - and he gave you examples of his opinion on such IDEs. Visual Studio is pretty much THE exemplary case, though I supplement it with ViEmu as editing code in a way that's not modal or having to use the arrow keys seems completely foreign to me after years of indoctrination.
He made it clear that he believes that the people that go cookoo for vim + command-line or emacs are so adamant to call them the ultimate environments not only because they include/are better text editors than everything else in the market, but because they're expandable, mature, and portable. And let's not even get into the part that relates to working on a remote server through a terminal emulator.
If you get ONE thing out of both the GP and my response today - let it be this: you say that vim is not the "ultimate editor" for you because it doesn't fulfill the primary requirement (being a power tool according to you)... Well, I'm pretty sure the primary requirement of each and every competent hacker regarding editors and IDE's should be to make the edition and creation of text easy, fast, streamlined, and efficient. I can count the text editors that fulfill that requirement to the T in a hand. Hell, there's three (or four if you dislike being productive). And one of them doesn't have a term version.
4) There are a few very specific tools/toolsets for very specific tasks in the programming world that make more sense to use than the classic "hardcore" editors. Hell in some cases they aren't necessarily better, but are obligatory! Nevertheless it doesn't change the fact that having either vim or emacs as tools in your bat-belt, will indelibly make a more productive developer by a factor of a quattuordecillion and one internet kittens.
5) I'm going to go ahead and make a generalization just as you did. "People who claim that vim/emacs are not the ultimate environment typically have a very naive world-view in my experience. Oh and in 98.64656% of the time (cause internet statistics are just as bad as generalizations) such claims come from people that failed to achieve proficiency in the aforementioned editors."
Notwithstanding the foregoing, I don't think you're bad for disliking vim, and I can totally understand that personal preference, biases, opinions, and memories will dictate what editor you end up using. But pissing a bunch of geeks that love the editors in questions with a comment that sounds biggot-ish, elitist (as elitist as the people you're confronting), and egocentric, makes very little sense if you ask me.
Re: My New Development Laptop: Samsung Chromebook
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> There are absolutely no absolutes! and then: > People who claim that vim/emacs are the ultimate environment typically have a very narrow world-view in my experience. Yes, you add the word "typically" in there, so it's not technically an absolute, but really, what you're saying is not much better. I'm not going to tell you that you need to abandon your IDE, but I use a DDE centered around Vim, and I like to think th…
That's not a response to his point. His point is not that vim users have a narrow worldview. His point is that people who claim that vim is the ultimate environment have a narrow worldview. Reading a tiny bit into what he said, he's judging those who would see their editor of choice as the ultimate , i.e., as seeing those who don't use it as using an inferior tool.
Honestly, what is the damn point anyways? He made a completely useless comment based on a bs assumption that in all honestly sounds more like a person who just got frustrated and decided to go against the flow of the river. I find it very annoying. Specially since this discussion always seems to start because the other side starts making the same generalization over and over and over again. Now I'm more annoyed. Hah.