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I'm a seeing-eye dog for a computer

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Re: I'm a seeing-eye dog for a computer

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Post by anonzzzies »

SadErn wrote: post #2

I like to think of training and improving AIs as bringing freedom to the world. The useless toil and labor associated with rebuilding the same solutions into different contexts is finally at an end. Coding was never the reward. Acting as a translator for a machine is far worse than allowing the machine to solve the mundane parts and leave you with bigger building blocks to play with. After 25 years I have to confess…

For me code still is the reward; I made and make my fortunes with boring code people on HN say no one needs or wants, my hobby is, and has been for 45 years, writing, perfecting and optimizing code manually until I find it perfect. I have been working for 10 years on a programming language and OS (with niche 2 dbs that are now prod quality and we use) and those are the best moment of my day, I couldn’t care less what anyone thinks of it or ever uses it. But the lessons learned do flow into LLMs to write the boring code and I can say that our million$ paying LoB code can handle 100s req/s on shite hardware and even if the LLM did a crap job. Which is almost 100s times more than the client will ever need.

Re: I'm a seeing-eye dog for a computer

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Post by Barbing »

Walf wrote: post #9
altmanaltman wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I like to think of training and improving AIs as bringing freedom to the world. Yes, when I think of OpenAI and Anthrophic and Google and Meta and any AI labs and their intentions, i cry a single tear for how these great instituitions are working so hard to bring freedom for humanity.

Freedom is slavery! AI owned by a few companies is more likely to put the majority right back to serfdom. You're a privileged fool to believe that freedom is the likely outcome of the current stampede. With a username that appears to cheer for a sociopath¹, I doubt reason will convince you. ¹ https://futurism.com/artificial-intelligence/sources-sam-alt...

Their /s was implied

(Like, Meta’s intentions? lol)

Re: I'm a seeing-eye dog for a computer

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Post by bitwize »

> All that’s left is the dumbest workflow possible: I fire up the debug viewer myself, look around for weird mistakes, then take a screenshot and tell the language model how badly it messed up this time. Eventually I just decided to do all the debugging work myself, so I would at least get to do the fun part too.

I call this "thanoscoding" for two reasons:

1. "Fine, I'll do it myself"

2. In the past I found I have to "snap away" the mess the LLM made in order to start afresh from a known good state (generally with git reset). But that was 1-2 generations ago when it comes to models. GPT6 Astra probably does things right the first time, 90% of the time.

Re: I'm a seeing-eye dog for a computer

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Post by post-it »

burnoutdv wrote: post #10
SadErn wrote: post #2

I like to think of training and improving AIs as bringing freedom to the world. The useless toil and labor associated with rebuilding the same solutions into different contexts is finally at an end. Coding was never the reward. Acting as a translator for a machine is far worse than allowing the machine to solve the mundane parts and leave you with bigger building blocks to play with. After 25 years I have to confess…

You got nothing. Giant corpos hold every sliver of your so called freedom, you dont innovate, you repeat what others created before you. You use a tool that shackles your thoughts and creativity in a never before seen way, what you perceive is an illusion of liberty that is no present. Without others you are nothing and they can take it away any seconds, you are an addict, not an innovator.

The same can be said of stuff like cloud storage and email and social media. And yet here we are.

Re: I'm a seeing-eye dog for a computer

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Post by Walf »

Barbing wrote: post #12
Walf wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Freedom is slavery! AI owned by a few companies is more likely to put the majority right back to serfdom. You're a privileged fool to believe that freedom is the likely outcome of the current stampede. With a username that appears to cheer for a sociopath¹, I doubt reason will convince you. ¹ https://futurism.com/artificial-intelligence/sources-sam-alt...

Their /s was implied (Like, Meta’s intentions? lol)

I hope so.

Re: I'm a seeing-eye dog for a computer

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Post by hypfer »

I mean there's a reason why we're doing MoCap for video games. If computers were good at this, we wouldn't be needing that. But actual motion and all seems to be much more complex than the systems can predict, apparently.

Also.. uh.. isn't this.. good? I thought AI was to steal all our jobs.

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Beside that, kinda weird self-description.

Isn't the computer executing your commands and you're just filling in where it cannot do that?

Being that dog implies that the computer is in the driver seat.

I mean it's supposed to be a joke I guess, but I read it as one that leaks internal metadata which seems to be incorrectly calibrated.

Re: I'm a seeing-eye dog for a computer

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Post by post-it »

flyinglizard wrote: post #8
SadErn wrote: post #2

I like to think of training and improving AIs as bringing freedom to the world. The useless toil and labor associated with rebuilding the same solutions into different contexts is finally at an end. Coding was never the reward. Acting as a translator for a machine is far worse than allowing the machine to solve the mundane parts and leave you with bigger building blocks to play with. After 25 years I have to confess…

I share the sentiment but the question here is how long can we maintain the balance point where the human in the agentic loop is required. It might be a window lasting only a few years, or for the foreseeable future; I think the answer lies the opaque compute economics of the frontier lab: how well models keep scaling and how economically sustainable is serving those models under the current market conditions.

If my job gets automated, I'll find something else to do. I wouldn't have wanted lamplighters to succeed in preventing electrification, so it would be unfair for me to prevent the automation of my job if it can be done.

Re: I'm a seeing-eye dog for a computer

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Post by anonzzzies »

flyinglizard wrote: post #8
SadErn wrote: post #2

I like to think of training and improving AIs as bringing freedom to the world. The useless toil and labor associated with rebuilding the same solutions into different contexts is finally at an end. Coding was never the reward. Acting as a translator for a machine is far worse than allowing the machine to solve the mundane parts and leave you with bigger building blocks to play with. After 25 years I have to confess…

I share the sentiment but the question here is how long can we maintain the balance point where the human in the agentic loop is required. It might be a window lasting only a few years, or for the foreseeable future; I think the answer lies the opaque compute economics of the frontier lab: how well models keep scaling and how economically sustainable is serving those models under the current market conditions.

I use Astra to drive Fable; I drivel into my phone while walking in the forest and it builds. I don’t need to check; I do as clients need to pay, but it always is great. And it surprises me with things I did not know were possible even (never encountered them before so why would I know). We are at the point where our clients send voice messages and they get what they want without humans basically. This costs 10+10 max2 subs but that’s nothing compared to hiring people. We didn’t fire anyone; we just have 100+ more clients and make almost 50x more money. It’s boring but great as long as it lasts, we are already where you say for what enterprises generally need for the boring parts. That’s 99%.

Re: I'm a seeing-eye dog for a computer

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Post by 21asdffdsa12 »

SadErn wrote: post #2

I like to think of training and improving AIs as bringing freedom to the world. The useless toil and labor associated with rebuilding the same solutions into different contexts is finally at an end. Coding was never the reward. Acting as a translator for a machine is far worse than allowing the machine to solve the mundane parts and leave you with bigger building blocks to play with. After 25 years I have to confess…

You lost leverage. Now be great full for the crumbs. If there remain any.

Re: I'm a seeing-eye dog for a computer

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Post by burnoutdv »

post-it wrote: post #14
burnoutdv wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You got nothing. Giant corpos hold every sliver of your so called freedom, you dont innovate, you repeat what others created before you. You use a tool that shackles your thoughts and creativity in a never before seen way, what you perceive is an illusion of liberty that is no present. Without others you are nothing and they can take it away any seconds, you are an addict, not an innovator.

The same can be said of stuff like cloud storage and email and social media. And yet here we are.

Your point is true to some extend, I personally host my own "cloud" storage..it comes with drawbacks, same is true for email..especially email, social media is a society constructs, by definition its reliant on others but many will argue that its not worth keeping anyway (although I wonder how one stays human in this world then, the meat space seems with so many barrieres in this age).

I feel very much like a luddite..or some artisan of a bygone age. The guy above laments how he never enjoyed coding, this is an interesting sentiment, I know quite a few people who enjoy the craft itself, myself included. The ability to form words that have meaning, that create something from nothing. Sure, the words are just a tool, but its something _I_ can master, not some abstract wish machine that may change its functionality tommorow. Obviously one can argue that the computer itself is in this case the one that creates and not me, its not magic that just works with me, but the machine I got obeys me and me alone..another reason why personal computing is important.

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