Asahi Linux on M3 • Hacker News Board

Re: Asahi Linux on M3

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Post by spockz » Mon, Sep 07, 2026, 6:00 AM UTC

teaearlgraycold wrote: post #246

sfdlkj3jk342a wrote: post #211

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If you don't want to play 3d games or run local LLMs, why is GPU acceleration important when you have a more than capable CPU for any desktop UI?

Depends on your desktop UI. If you install something like Gnome (as I did with Asahi Linux today on an M3 Air) the animated transitions don’t work. You just get a short frozen period and then it cuts straight to the final state. I could try installing a more barebones DE which has no need for animations.

Can you disable animations completely? At least I could in Gnome. It will become more snappy as a result as well.

Re: Asahi Linux on M3

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Post by cute_boi » Mon, Sep 07, 2026, 6:02 AM UTC

mikestew wrote: post #257

cute_boi wrote: post #245

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Basically nothing except swift and llvm.

I mean, if you can’t read I could see how one might walk away with that impression.

My argument was apple is doing nothing much for open source, then you suddenly come with link that shows Apple has done nothing for open source compared to other company like Microsoft or Google or even Meta.

Re: Asahi Linux on M3

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Post by elromulous » Mon, Sep 07, 2026, 6:02 AM UTC

shmoe wrote: post #244

It is odd that Apple doesn't chip in here... they've originated so much decent stuff in the OSS space. Seems like a huge missed opportunity.

Surely this is missing "/s"

Re: Asahi Linux on M3

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Post by happymellon » Mon, Sep 07, 2026, 6:05 AM UTC

cute_boi wrote: post #245

mikestew wrote: post #89

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Probably took me less time to search “Apple open source” and click the first link than it did to type your question: https://opensource.apple.com/

Basically nothing except swift and llvm.

They are able to rebrand other peoples stuff!

Re: Asahi Linux on M3

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Post by mrheosuper » Mon, Sep 07, 2026, 6:12 AM UTC

worldsavior wrote: post #259

mrheosuper wrote: post #220

Thanks for the effort, guys. This makes me think, shouldn't the driver layer be generic now. All the driver does is writing correct data at correct address when needed, there is no need for OS support except triggering driver when to do that. A true HAL, any OS can run on that HAL.

That data and that address changes, and the logic changes.

Why should the address and logic change, when both are defined by hardware ?

Re: Asahi Linux on M3

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Post by MomsAVoxell » Mon, Sep 07, 2026, 6:19 AM UTC

nsonha wrote: post #208

MomsAVoxell wrote: post #69

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Run both when you need to build for both. Why not run both when you need to?

yes, but you're arguing for running both whenever you need (only) linux?

I’d need both, so I’d use both.

Re: Asahi Linux on M3

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Post by wraptile » Mon, Sep 07, 2026, 6:21 AM UTC

sneak wrote: post #203

jdeaton wrote: post #78

This is really incredible work but so frustrating that its necessary

Why wouldn’t bringing up an OS on new hardware be necessary? Apple has no obligation or incentive whatsoever to write Linux device drivers… Do you think Apple should be funding this work out of revenue? What possible justification could they provide for such a waste of money? This will not sell any more laptops. Even if Asahi didn’t do it, the work would still be necessary by someone inside Apple. Drivers don’t spont…

> Apple has no obligation or incentive whatsoever to write Linux device drivers…

In ideal world the society would make it an obligation for general computers to remain free (as in freedom) and accessible.

Re: Asahi Linux on M3

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Post by vorticalbox » Mon, Sep 07, 2026, 6:28 AM UTC

worldsavior wrote: post #258

happymellon wrote: post #250

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Apple are hostile to everything CopyLeft. Why would they "chip in" here?

Well, they will get more people buying MacBooks, though they won't really use their services.

I do wonder if the margin on Mac isn’t that high vs the price and the services (iCloud etc) make up for that.

Amazon do the same with the fire.

Re: Asahi Linux on M3

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Post by globular-toast » Mon, Sep 07, 2026, 6:28 AM UTC

worldsavior wrote: post #258

happymellon wrote: post #250

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Apple are hostile to everything CopyLeft. Why would they "chip in" here?

Well, they will get more people buying MacBooks, though they won't really use their services.

They don't care about people buying MacBooks. They want you in their ecosystem buying i-everything.

Re: Asahi Linux on M3

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Post by utopiah » Mon, Sep 07, 2026, 6:36 AM UTC

worldsavior wrote: post #258

happymellon wrote: post #250

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Apple are hostile to everything CopyLeft. Why would they "chip in" here?

Well, they will get more people buying MacBooks, though they won't really use their services.

What makes Apple valuable is precisely its full vertical integration. Nobody else does it at that scale except maybe Sony for consoles and Microsoft but both don't have the same usage coverage and thus integration.

It wouldn't be economically rational for Apple to bring down its own moat.