Should've asked Fable.
Ask HN: Fable hacked my piano, can I release the results?
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Re: Ask HN: Fable hacked my piano, can I release the results?
#42If you live in the USA, the "decoy notes" may be considered an "effective technical measure" from the "Digital Millennium Copyright Act". If you live in Europe, this restriction may be considered "gatekeeping" and exempted by the Digital Markets Act. Don't bring attention to yourself by asking for permission. Publish your codec, and if the company cares about this they will send a cease and desist. If you want the wo…
Consider publishing the prompts used to create it.
Instruct the AI to output an .MD file that can be used to reconstruct the code
Re: Ask HN: Fable hacked my piano, can I release the results?
#43Maybe send this question to the Anthropic legal team. I'd be curious if you get an answer and what it'll be.
Re: Ask HN: Fable hacked my piano, can I release the results?
#44Recently had a similar, but likely more severe problem: I noticed Sol decompiled some proprietary code to re-implement some functionality for an emulation I wanted to use internally.
Now its likely soiled and I have to throw it away. Doh! I asked it about legality and it went "its almost green" but when googling, reverse-enginnering like that seems very illegal.
The weird thing is in this case, it could have pretty easily gotten the needed info from using the code as a black box, and that is apparently legal!
Re: Ask HN: Fable hacked my piano, can I release the results?
#45You publish it as the organ-guy piano system for a virtual piano that you've lost the code for. On a serious note: reverse engineering is legal in australia, even for DMCA violations.
Would love for sources / prior case law around this? I'm Australian and involved in reverse engineering insulin pumps and CGMs, and we are constantly worried about getting our butts DMCA'd.
Don't get me wrong, they absolutely can DMCA you if the hosting is in a foreign country iirc.
I was under the impression thr prescedant was:
Data Access Corporation v Powerflex Services Pty Ltd (1999), alongside specific provisions in the Copyright Act 1968.
The australian DMCA is called the TPM, it's more aimed at Bypassing, decrypt, or circumvent a digital lock or DRM (Digital Rights Management) protecting copyrighted material.
I do not think that phantom notes are encryption or rights management.
If you do your hosting in australia for your code/software, the US companies will probably have a bad time trying to convince the australian courts that access is the same as copyright infringement.
I'm not a lawyer, but i'll be damned if the 'vibe of it' shouldn't be a legal defense.
Re: Ask HN: Fable hacked my piano, can I release the results?
#46Earlier quoted context omitted.
If you don't want to be responsible for it, another way is to just publish it anonymously: make a GitHub that isn't attached to your real name etc, perhaps using a one-off disposable email address, and put it there. Then you don't have to think about what the lawyers think. Worst case it'll get taken down, but by that point it'll likely be popular enough that there'll be plenty of copies. [Pirate flag emoji here]
What if the companies start auto subpoenaing the AI companies to try and tie the code to an account?
Maybe then using an open weights model is a good way to hide your tracks...
Re: Ask HN: Fable hacked my piano, can I release the results?
#47Re: Ask HN: Fable hacked my piano, can I release the results?
#48Your intentions can reasonably be interpreted by a court as attempting to avoid paying a commercial software licensing fee. Use of Fable is, in your specific instance, irrelevant to whatever the outcome would be; the finding of intent holds plausible regardless of what tools and/or contractors you used to pursue your intent. Seek legal counsel if you wish to publish. (I am not your lawyer, this is not legal advice.)
Re: Ask HN: Fable hacked my piano, can I release the results?
#49This is a nit but his name is actually Erik Satie not Eric Satre.
Re: Ask HN: Fable hacked my piano, can I release the results?
#50my experience with LLMs is that when you get answers to questions you didn't ask that it's repeating something that already exists. In other words, it probably regenerated a tool from which it was trained on.
Sounds like your experience from LLMs dates back to 2022.