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Re: Keep Our Servers Running

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Post by topato »

markasoftware wrote: post #26
andai wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well then another guy should provide a technically equivalent and morally superior service ;)

I mean, lots of other archive.* sites exist and do the same thing minus problematic behavior, such as archive.is, archive.oh (though maybe some are operated by the same individual...)

Haha all of those are .today aliases. Not sure the hate over him ddosing the guy doxxing him. .today’s paywall circumvention is also why miscellaneous groups have tried to report him to the FBI over planted CSAM material, among other horrible harassment. I think we should all give him a second chance for the huge amount of time, both before and after the stupid and short lived ddos incident, that he has dedicated to archiving.

His identity must be secretive, as he has already drawn the ire of many powers that be, so… I personally think the ddos incident was justified… and I’m glad my bandwidth helped in any way, frankly. Some people seem to really want to portray him as some shady evil bad guy, and after all the hit jobs against him in the past year or two, I really wonder who these anti-archive.today people actually are and what they’re motivations are (besides money).

Re: Keep Our Servers Running

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Post by neilwilson »

TekMol wrote: post #40

I still don't get how copying copyrighted content to your own website and then asking for donations can be a legal business model. Nor how it can be morally justified. I get that many people like such an archive to be around for consumption. Me too. But, keeping emotions aside, I can't find a justification to violate the rights of creators. I'm sure many people here will have the knee-jerk reaction to immediately dow…

Copyright is a legal grant from the public to the individual.

Perhaps it is time to recognise that this literal Mickey Mouse law needs to be rebalanced more in favour of the public than the monopolist, as that creates better societal outcomes.

Re: Keep Our Servers Running

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Post by bulder »

progval wrote: post #34
LeoPanthera wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Um. You mean the same site that uses its captcha page to DDOS sites the owner doesn't agree with, and was banned from use on Wikipedia because the owner was modifying the archived pages? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archive.today#2026_attack_on_G... I don't think we should be supporting this random guy, no.

> to DDOS sites the owner doesn't agree with to DDOS one website, which is doxxing the owner. Not that it makes it good idea, but it's a little more understandable.

DDoSing a website, modifying their archives surreptitiously to serve their own wants (which was what tipped Wikipedia towards banning their use), running weird sockpuppet campaigns to build dependence on them, and fucking with Cloudflare's DNS resolution to prevent anti-tracking measures from working.

Oh and even if I wanted to ignore all of this, I couldn't use them anyways because they blackholed the majority of Finnish IP ranges after the DDoS incident to I guess punish the entire country for the targeted blogger being born here.

Re: Keep Our Servers Running

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Post by losteric »

j16sdiz wrote: post #33
colesantiago wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Let's be honest, almost nobody is donating a significant amount i.e. $100K+ to the Internet Archive that would actually keep them alive. Everyone wants to scrape and extract from them 100% for free.

No. The question OP ask was.... who is paying for the matching? The donation got 3x, sure somebody is paying, right? I was planning to donate, and this omission stopped me.

why?? It's extremely common for nonprofits to have anonymous matching donors. Even my local animal shelter.

Re: Keep Our Servers Running

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Post by 0xDEAFBEAD »

j16sdiz wrote: post #33
colesantiago wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Let's be honest, almost nobody is donating a significant amount i.e. $100K+ to the Internet Archive that would actually keep them alive. Everyone wants to scrape and extract from them 100% for free.

No. The question OP ask was.... who is paying for the matching? The donation got 3x, sure somebody is paying, right? I was planning to donate, and this omission stopped me.

Why are you guys getting worked up over this? What's wrong with donors wanting to be anonymous?

Re: Keep Our Servers Running

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Post by anilakar »

arjie wrote: post #10

I do like the Internet Archive but I wish I could retrieve large segments from it myself. It has very aggressive 429s. It would be a nice higher donor tier feature. Maybe it’s not possible to do so and retain 501c3 status? Regardless I have had to start performing personal datahoarding. C’est la vie.

I was looking for some CNATRA (US naval aviation) unclassified, non-distribution-controlled training manuals and noticed that the newest ones had been deindexed when they were put behind authentication.

Stop hiding public data and I might reconsider.

Re: Keep Our Servers Running

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Post by forestingfisher »

LeoPanthera wrote: post #13
Cider9986 wrote: post #8

THere's also archive.today who does great user-directed archiving. We don't appreciate this infrastructure some random guy runs enough. It's annoying how often archive.org blocks sites but they both complement each other very well. https://liberapay.com/archiveis/donate https://coindrop.to/archive When finding archive.today's Monero donation address just now, I had to use archive.org because donatemonero.org [1] is d…

Um. You mean the same site that uses its captcha page to DDOS sites the owner doesn't agree with, and was banned from use on Wikipedia because the owner was modifying the archived pages? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archive.today#2026_attack_on_G... I don't think we should be supporting this random guy, no.

If it works, it works. Also the Internet Archive also excludes many sites for ideological reasons which is the opposite of preservation

Re: Keep Our Servers Running

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Post by Hamuko »

forestingfisher wrote: post #48
LeoPanthera wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Um. You mean the same site that uses its captcha page to DDOS sites the owner doesn't agree with, and was banned from use on Wikipedia because the owner was modifying the archived pages? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archive.today#2026_attack_on_G... I don't think we should be supporting this random guy, no.

If it works, it works. Also the Internet Archive also excludes many sites for ideological reasons which is the opposite of preservation

Not sure how well it’s “working” considering any of the archived pages might be altered by the site’s administrator to further their causes. There’s a reason why Wikipedia stopped trusting them.

Re: Keep Our Servers Running

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Post by klamann »

Does the Internet Archive have any options to donate from the EU so I can get a donation receipt from a EU based non-profit? I know there is the "Internet Archive Europe", but that seems to be a Wikimedia like thing, i.e. they don't collect funds for the IA but for whatever it is they are doing here (which is not archiving websites for some reason?).
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