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Doomscrolling ourselves to death

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Re: Doomscrolling ourselves to death

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I can tell, usually within a few minutes of meeting them, who’s really into social media. There’s a little bit of frenetic emotional dysregulation, and then they say the weirdest stuff to me. I don’t think you could have made a similar argument about heavy trash tv watchers. They may have had less to talk about, you may have found them less interesting, but it didn’t literally alter their personalities. We have a big…

For my the tell tale sign is being obsessed with conspiracies, Candace Owens and Tucker Carlson, constantly talking about Jews, freeing Palestine and being antivax. I can almost guarantee someone is influenced by the twitter algorithm from that alone.

I forgot to add, Russia is good, Ukraine is bad

Re: Doomscrolling ourselves to death

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Scrolling through the comments here, let's be honest about having actually read the entire article. Have you? Be honest. At first I had not, only the first 3-4 paragraphs. And it just read like another one of those articles where somebody is sad about their own and their kids' habits. I then found that most comments here are about that too. But I realized that not actually reading a lengthy article like this one is p…

> First, it's a very lengthy way to say few things.

This is I think why most people on HN don't read the article. Also in part because the comments are simply more information dense, whether it is fully about the article or not.

And I haven't read the article. I'm here for the comments.

> Have you? Be honest.

I think most people here would simply be honest, you don't need to tell them to be honest.

But maybe it's my Dutch culture interplaying, but I genuinely find the "be honest" redundant and almost an insinuation that people would not be honest on HN, which would imply people tend to veer towards being deceitful? Really? On HN?

HN is not Reddit.

Re: Doomscrolling ourselves to death

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I can tell, usually within a few minutes of meeting them, who’s really into social media. There’s a little bit of frenetic emotional dysregulation, and then they say the weirdest stuff to me. I don’t think you could have made a similar argument about heavy trash tv watchers. They may have had less to talk about, you may have found them less interesting, but it didn’t literally alter their personalities. We have a big…

The most pathetic thing I have experienced in my life was, in a Youtube comment section of a dumb meme video obviously aimed at young people, reading an animated conversation about the moral failings of Democrat Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi.

I think about that one a lot.

Re: Doomscrolling ourselves to death

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I can tell, usually within a few minutes of meeting them, who’s really into social media. There’s a little bit of frenetic emotional dysregulation, and then they say the weirdest stuff to me. I don’t think you could have made a similar argument about heavy trash tv watchers. They may have had less to talk about, you may have found them less interesting, but it didn’t literally alter their personalities. We have a big…

The easiest way to tell in Europe is that a woman who has never visited USA speaks in phrases or uses slang words that an African-American woman from Atlanta would use. African-American men and women probably have the largest global cultural effect based on the relative size of the community to the population of the world.

shut yo bitch ass up, you n-word

>guy from a village in eastern europe

Re: Doomscrolling ourselves to death

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Scrolling through the comments here, let's be honest about having actually read the entire article. Have you? Be honest. At first I had not, only the first 3-4 paragraphs. And it just read like another one of those articles where somebody is sad about their own and their kids' habits. I then found that most comments here are about that too. But I realized that not actually reading a lengthy article like this one is p…

> And that's frightening. AI tell. I don't think you wrote this comment with AI, but you might want to tweak this writing style in the future.

Um excuse me? Some people use LLMs to generate slop. That slop tends to have a certain style. I happen to use similar style. And now you are suggesting that I should adjust my style so that lazy people won't be tempted to classify it as slop?

I think you got this all upside down.

Re: Doomscrolling ourselves to death

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Scrolling through the comments here, let's be honest about having actually read the entire article. Have you? Be honest. At first I had not, only the first 3-4 paragraphs. And it just read like another one of those articles where somebody is sad about their own and their kids' habits. I then found that most comments here are about that too. But I realized that not actually reading a lengthy article like this one is p…

I've read the whole thing, but I usually read the end paragraphs of long articles because that's where he point is made.

Leading to it is:

> A recent report issued by Britain’s most important cultural funding body, the Arts Council, warned against the use of “terms like excellence” which may promote “unhelpful hierarchies about what kinds of work are valued”.’

Which I find despairing. Article ends with:

> The cultural elite has abandoned cultural elitism.

So the point goes far beyond 'social media despair', it goes to say that the entire culture is regressing.

Re: Doomscrolling ourselves to death

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This is why I still browse 4chan and of course HN - because the feed is entirely time based with zero recommendations and no infinite content. I've also added userscripts to remove shorts and recs from YouTube as well as uninstalling absolutely all social apps and only using web Ironically 4chan /pol/ now has higher quality debates and more diverse opinions than Reddit, and a faster website that doesn't constantly pu…

There is an algorithm to the HM feed and there are definitely recommendations. We are both posting in this thread because it has made it to the main page because people upvoted it. That’s the algorithm/recommendation system.

Re: Doomscrolling ourselves to death

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Why do we scroll and not swipe? Scrolling is not a god-given mechanism to read web pages. Swiping/page-turning would be easier on the eyes (text lines don't move) and would probably be less addictive.

Re: Doomscrolling ourselves to death

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I just started reading Infinite Jest and unsurprisingly it seems shockingly relevant to the doomscrolling problem. I’m aware of its flaws, but I’ve heard it recommended a number of times related to our modern problem of amusing ourselves to death. So far it’s surprisingly enjoyable, eerily relatable, and not nearly as difficult to follow as I was warned.

A lot of postmodern maximalist books like IJ try to reckon w/ these problems. Its easy to reflexively hate the meaningless, ironic, media-fried worlds they build, but they are mirrors, not instruction manuals.

One of IJ’s most important topics is the critique of the empty destructive postmodern cynicism that you are referring to. Wallace was in fact trying his best to do more than just reflect. One of IJ’s main and most likeable characters, Mario, is basically a walking sentiment of this. Infinite jest is surprisingly preachy in this regard; “this is water” and some of his other essays are even more so in this regard. that’s why literary critics argue that Infinite Jest doesn’t belong to the postmodern, but rather to the post-postmodern, sometimes also called the metamodern, or the new sincerity. Like a hybrid of modern and postmodern that oscillates between the hip and the banal, between cynicism and hope, fiction and truth.

Here is Wallace on this subject: “Irony and cynicism were just what the U.S. hypocrisy of the fifties and sixties called for. That’s what made the early postmodernists great artists. The great thing about irony is that it splits things apart, gets up above them so we can see the flaws and hypocrisies and duplicates. The virtuous always triumph? Ward Cleaver is the prototypical fifties father? "Sure." Sarcasm, parody, absurdism and irony are great ways to strip off stuff’s mask and show the unpleasant reality behind it. The problem is that once the rules of art are debunked, and once the unpleasant realities the irony diagnoses are revealed and diagnosed, "then" what do we do? Irony’s useful for debunking illusions, but most of the illusion-debunking in the U.S. has now been done and redone. Once everybody knows that equality of opportunity is bunk and Mike Brady’s bunk and Just Say No is bunk, now what do we do? All we seem to want to do is keep ridiculing the stuff. Postmodern irony and cynicism’s become an end in itself, a measure of hip sophistication and literary savvy. Few artists dare to try to talk about ways of working toward redeeming what’s wrong, because they’ll look sentimental and naive to all the weary ironists. Irony’s gone from liberating to enslaving. There’s some great essay somewhere that has a line about irony being the song of the prisoner who’s come to love his cage.”

Re: Doomscrolling ourselves to death

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post #87

Currently reprogramming myself on this. I’ve started doing more stuff on paper and using single-use devices as there’s not an immediate attention demand from something else then.

Same. I am also trying to unfuck my brain using pen and paper each day. Got a nice Lamy fountain pen and a notebook I like and I try to write as much as I can each day. Even if most of it is trivial, I still think it’s beneficial because it stops me from consuming content on the internet and it turns me from a consumer into a creator. I think it also improves my focus and does some mental health work too. But it is an uphill battle. After hours of overstimulation, just being by myself feels unbearable, like I can’t stand to be alone in my head without any noises to distract or amuse me.
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