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Re: GrapheneOS Overhauled Default Apps and Secure Clipboard

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Post by Cider9986 »

grapheneos wrote: post #150
gray_-_wolf wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That cannot be true, when I install e.g., Ubuntu system, there are plenty of applications installed for me, with incompatible licenses.

OS components don't need to have compatible licenses if they're separate from each other. The Linux kernel is GPLv2-only which forbids GPLv3 licensing. That doesn't mean GPLv3 code can't be used in a Linux-based OS. We use GPLv2 and permissive licensing for GrapheneOS to avoid more restrictive licensing than the AOSP. We'll happily use GPLv3 and AGPLv3 for components outside of GrapheneOS if we think it's the best fi…

There's 5 licenses :o

Re: GrapheneOS Overhauled Default Apps and Secure Clipboard

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Post by epihelix »

chasil wrote: post #106
cwillu wrote: post #100

“We'll be making a new release later today with a completely overhauled user interface written in ‹whatever›” is something developers love, and users fear.

LineageOS keyboard and the Trebuchet launcher would be most helpful. I do miss keyboard symbols without shifting and icon packs.

FUTO Keyboard or Heliboard (both FOSS) will give you key symbols without shifting, as will likely several other FOSS keyboards.

Re: GrapheneOS Overhauled Default Apps and Secure Clipboard

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Post by armadyl »

Cider9986 wrote: post #172
NewJazz wrote: post #167

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It would go against our approach to choose specific messaging apps and protocols to bundle with the OS beyond SMS/MMS/RCS. We shouldn't be the ones choosing Signal vs. SimpleX vs. Element or other options but rather that's up to users to decide. I disagree with this somewhat. Apple and Google make these sweeping decisions for their users and in effect promote one tech over another. Adopting RCS and integrating it nat…

I agree. The OS maker has a ton of power with the default apps and putting SMS and phone calls as the default communication platform of the OS is contrary to the goals of giving people more privacy. And the OS should come with a GrapheneOS Monero wallet to compete with Google Wallet/Apple Pay.

> And the OS should come with a GrapheneOS Monero wallet to compete with Google Wallet/Apple Pay.

This makes no sense especially when you’re comparing it against Apple Pay and Google Wallet. They shouldn’t waste resources on something so pointless. The only exception is if they can actually make an NFC capable app that can handle cards.

Re: GrapheneOS Overhauled Default Apps and Secure Clipboard

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Post by epihelix »

wolvoleo wrote: post #86
ConceitedCode wrote: post #71

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I think graphene could maintain a hard fork with manufacturer support (Motorola). At least for a while. Long term viability is an open question.

They could for a while but what's the point if it's not sustainable? Google is not going to turn around and make it more open again. With every Android release you will build up more feature base to replicate. Unless you cut all ties and drive a separate ecosystem but good luck getting enough developers to buy into that.

Well, someone is clearly giving Graphene money, and quite a lot of it, as per TFA:

> We recently hired a bunch of new people and will be hiring more so our progress will be accelerating.

Re: GrapheneOS Overhauled Default Apps and Secure Clipboard

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Post by HybridStatAnim8 »

GeekyBear wrote: post #179
HybridStatAnim8 wrote: post #131

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The AOSP is fully open source. What you suggest is a significant step back in terms of privacy and security.

The AOSP does not run modern Android apps, since Google has been replacing the APIs those apps require with closed source versions (that only ship as part of Google Play) for over a decade.

That is not true. AOSP can run all modern android apps, and google play APIs are provided as alternatives, but not replacements, for AOSP functionality.

Re: GrapheneOS Overhauled Default Apps and Secure Clipboard

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Post by [deleted] »

Cider9986 wrote: post #139
grapheneos wrote: post #126

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Our port of Messaging to Compose was clearly not vibe coded as both the parent comment and yours are wrongly portraying it. Experienced developers have been working on overhauling the app for months with a lot of back and forth code review to get the pull requests into shape. We don't have a policy against using AI for assistance as long as the resulting code meets our high standards. We definitely use frontier AI mo…

How did my comment portray your port as you are vibecoding it? I just said that AI is being used. It seems obvious to me that you guys would use it responsibly.

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Re: GrapheneOS Overhauled Default Apps and Secure Clipboard

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Post by TZubiri »

grapheneos wrote: post #178
TZubiri wrote: post #169

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One of the parties involved in a call recording it is not surveillance. It's comparable to having chat logs for text messaging. Contrary to what you've claimed, vast majority of US states have one party consent for call recording. GrapheneOS Foundation is based in Canada where one party consent is the law. Our feature is designed for people to comply with the law in jurisdictions requiring two party consent. It shows…

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Re: GrapheneOS Overhauled Default Apps and Secure Clipboard

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Post by grapheneos »

lucb1e wrote: post #26

Ctrl+f clipboard, no results. What does "Secure Clipboard" in the title refer to? The release seems to be only the SMS/RCS app, rest is future: > We're also going to be overhauling or fully replacing the rest of the AOSP apps in the near future. AOSP Gallery is incredibly outdated and is being entirely replaced. AOSP Keyboard may be similar. We recently hired a bunch of new people and will be hiring more so our progr…

There's a separate thread about our secure clipboard feature:

https://bsky.app/profile/grapheneos.org/post/3muupuvlfbs2v

We posted it right after the Messaging app thread but they're separate topics.

Re: GrapheneOS Overhauled Default Apps and Secure Clipboard

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Post by grapheneos »

GeekyBear wrote: post #179
HybridStatAnim8 wrote: post #131

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The AOSP is fully open source. What you suggest is a significant step back in terms of privacy and security.

The AOSP does not run modern Android apps, since Google has been replacing the APIs those apps require with closed source versions (that only ship as part of Google Play) for over a decade.

No, that's a widespread misconception. Google Play services is nearly entirely APIs for using Google services. It hasn't replaced AOSP functionality and the AOSP APIs are still there. If you want to avoid Google services then there isn't much that's useful in Play services. Getting developers to not depend as much on Google services such as supporting UnifiedPush in addition to Firebase Cloud Messaging leads to those apps no longer requiring Play services for that functionality.

Re: GrapheneOS Overhauled Default Apps and Secure Clipboard

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Post by grapheneos »

GeekyBear wrote: post #93
tgsovlerkhgsel wrote: post #87

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There is no alternative. Apple isn't going to let them build on top of iOS, and anything except those two is dead in the water because it'll never have users because it is missing a bunch of critical apps, and will never have those apps because it doesn't have users.

> There is no alternative. There have been several projects like Ubuntu Touch to create an open Linux for smartphones. That would be an open alternative. Android is not open.

Android is an open source Linux distribution for smartphones. It doesn't have to be used with Google Mobile Services. AOSP is far more private, secure, usable and compatible with a far broader amount of apps. Why wouldn't we use that as the starting point even if the goal was to diverge?
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