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Ask HN: Why don't we bring back old school OkCupid?

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Re: Ask HN: Why don't we bring back old school OkCupid?

#11
An interesting challenge with dating sites is that the “bell curves” of attractiveness versus desired attractiveness between men and women aren’t symmetric.

This leads to difficulties running a dating site because women will only say yes to 9/10 or better men, but men will message anyone with a pulse which in turn inflates female expectations.

Many women only ever join dating sites as an ego boost, with no intention to actually go on dates.

I had the idea that the way this could work is a totally automated match making system akin to Uber where you are penalised for not accepting matches made by the system. You don’t have to get married or anything, but if you don’t both turn up at the same GPS time space coordinates it counts against you.

Similarly, the system should require an up front ~$50 fee from both sexes per date. You don’t get it back if you stand up a date.

Etc…

It would be very hard to bootstrap, but once going it would produce many more long term partnerships than “swipe right” style apps.

Re: Ask HN: Why don't we bring back old school OkCupid?

#13
I've worked for a dating startup in the past and the main barrier is marketing costs. You need to be able to bootstrap a network extremely fast or people will join and bounce within minutes and doing that across any sort of region costs a lot of money since you basically need to blanket advertise. Trying to do that across multiple regions requires serious money.

You can build it and they might come but they will leave and never come back if they aren't seeing people to match with.

Re: Ask HN: Why don't we bring back old school OkCupid?

#14
post #8

Okcupid still exists and operate in this manner. So do other platforms. The reason why it does not proliferate like it used to has to do with the short attention span of the population, and in general, the attention economy. You can’t have people answer 1100 questions anymore. You can, however, put pretty people on the app for them to swipe left or right, and that drives people way more than Doing work to get a match…

They dumbed it down for the masses.

Re: Ask HN: Why don't we bring back old school OkCupid?

#16
1. Dating apps/sites are a rich-get-richer market. Most people go where everyone else goes, because everyone else is there.

2. The more work you ask your users to do up front, (e.g. answering a bunch of survey questions, taking high quality photos, paying up front) the fewer highly desirable people you'll have, because they can easily find people wherever they go without doing all that work.

3. Swiping is more fun (more addictive) than answering survey questions. OKCupid switched to swiping when A/B testing showed that swiping retained people better than survey questions.

Re: Ask HN: Why don't we bring back old school OkCupid?

#17
post #8

Okcupid still exists and operate in this manner. So do other platforms. The reason why it does not proliferate like it used to has to do with the short attention span of the population, and in general, the attention economy. You can’t have people answer 1100 questions anymore. You can, however, put pretty people on the app for them to swipe left or right, and that drives people way more than Doing work to get a match…

What if the app asks one question per swipe?

Advanced version: and shows a match with the same answer.

Re: Ask HN: Why don't we bring back old school OkCupid?

#18

An interesting challenge with dating sites is that the “bell curves” of attractiveness versus desired attractiveness between men and women aren’t symmetric. This leads to difficulties running a dating site because women will only say yes to 9/10 or better men, but men will message anyone with a pulse which in turn inflates female expectations. Many women only ever join dating sites as an ego boost, with no intention…

That might sound good in theory, but no one is going to sign up for that. Who will want to pay $50 to not meet up with the creep some algorithm has set them up with? Honestly, it's kinda dangerous.

Re: Ask HN: Why don't we bring back old school OkCupid?

#19

I became single in 2013 and cupid was definitely where the cool kids were. But it was a desktop thing. You sat at a computer and engaged. You invested. Tinder and swiping are a phone thing. No real investment. Funny thing, 12 years later I met my wife on the zombified corpse of cupid. So... go figure.

> Funny thing, 12 years later I met my wife on the zombified corpse of cupid. So... go figure.

Must have been awkward. Or were you in an open marriage at the time?

Re: Ask HN: Why don't we bring back old school OkCupid?

#20
It's not just dating platforms that have changed, it's also the users. Online dating used to be a niche you had to actively seek out, which meant that the users were naturally self-selected, had more interesting (for better or worse) personalities, and were (on average) more genuine.

Online dating today is far too mainstream for those qualities to remain. Any new dating platform that gains enough popularity to be useful will be quickly flooded with less-differentiated "normies" that dilute any quality in the platform's demographic, and the "optimizers" who game the platform at the cost of other users' experience.

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