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GrapheneOS Overhauled Default Apps and Secure Clipboard

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Re: GrapheneOS Overhauled Default Apps and Secure Clipboard

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Post by mitxela »

michael-bey wrote: post #52
annzabelle wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nearly everybody uses it in the USA. It's very common to text people through the default messaging app on your phone there (probably an outgrowth of the popularity of iPhones and iMessage), and backup options would be Instagram, Snapchat for a certain demographic, or Facebook messages. Whatsapp is only for messaging foreigners, and Signal/Telegram are for messaging your drug dealer.

I was really disappointed when Signal went away from being used as an "everything" messenger, including regular SMS. I onboarded all my family and now because it's not a default messenger, nobody is using it.

But that's the same situation as WhatsApp, and everyone uses WhatsApp.

Re: GrapheneOS Overhauled Default Apps and Secure Clipboard

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Post by HybridStatAnim8 »

TZubiri wrote: post #147

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Android and IOS encrypt your device. Most modern phones do, that is not specific to GrapheneOS and is an important, generic part of data safety that has been used for decades.

GrapheneOS offers a duress PIN/password, not button, that is solely up to the user to use as they see fit. The threat model for its use is on the user to determine, and the example you are referring to was a judgement that person made. That decision is independent of GrapheneOS.

Whether or not it was a blunder can only be known by the person who used it. Maybe it was a miscalculation, or maybe they were trying to hide something of importance, like protected contacts in an authoritarian country. We cannot know.

Duress PIN is for when the consequences of having the data are worse than erasing the data. This is very important for journalists or citizens of an authoritarian government. The judgements these people make are not a reflection of GrapheneOS.

Re: GrapheneOS Overhauled Default Apps and Secure Clipboard

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Post by Cider9986 »

HybridStatAnim8 wrote: post #141
gray_-_wolf wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That cannot be true, when I install e.g., Ubuntu system, there are plenty of applications installed for me, with incompatible licenses.

It is true, and if Ubuntu is shipping apps as a part of the OS with incompatible licenses, that is a crime.

Not a crime a civil matter.

Re: GrapheneOS Overhauled Default Apps and Secure Clipboard

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Post by terribleperson »

mitxela wrote: post #109
ryan_lane wrote: post #103

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IE's monopoly was replaced by Chrome and Safari's, and Safari only exists because Apple gives you no choice but to use it on iOS. Firefox had a brief spot on top, but it really didn't last that long. Windows still has the vast majority share of desktop.

Chrome is the outlier there. It didn't come with any desktop OS and still got near 100% market share, even before Android contributed to that. How? It's worth studying.

Well, the web was already designed to be compatible with multiple browsers, so that's one element there.

Re: GrapheneOS Overhauled Default Apps and Secure Clipboard

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Post by ulrikrasmussen »

qurren wrote: post #68
ConceitedCode wrote: post #53

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What's the concern? They are working with Motorola as a manufacturer. It'll probably be a hard fork eventually but why not make it work in the meantime.

If they hard fork, a lot of apps that are generally "necessary for the average person" (e.g. Uber, banking apps, Gmail, Whatsapp/Wechat/Line) might stop working.

Yes, but there is no alternative other than giving up. Starting a new OS from scratch with zero apps is a much worse starting point compared to a platform where 99.9% of apps work (minus those relying on Play Integrity with strong integrity) which may have its rug pulled in the future. The race here is about getting to a big enough market share that GrapheneOS cannot just be ignored as completely niche but has to be treated as a small but not insignificant minority.

Re: GrapheneOS Overhauled Default Apps and Secure Clipboard

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Post by NewJazz »

grapheneos wrote: post #136
NewJazz wrote: post #49

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Yes RCS is barely a standard worth implementing, let alone the best one. Make SMS/MMS and XMPP work together seamlessly in one app, forget RCS.

It's important for us to provide out-of-the-box end-to-end encrypted (E2EE) messaging for contacts on Google Messages and iOS. Both Google Messages and iOS provide RCS with end-to-end encryption via Messaging Layer Security (MLS). Google Messages is the standard text messaging app on Google Mobile Services Android and iOS now also supports RCS with MLS. The vast majority of people have an E2EE messaging app on their…

It would go against our approach to choose specific messaging apps and protocols to bundle with the OS beyond SMS/MMS/RCS. We shouldn't be the ones choosing Signal vs. SimpleX vs. Element or other options but rather that's up to users to decide.

I disagree with this somewhat. Apple and Google make these sweeping decisions for their users and in effect promote one tech over another. Adopting RCS and integrating it natively, but shunning open protocols and leaving them for third party apps (with probably worse OS integration) means you are following, not leading.

I would at least consider shifting approaches somewhere down the line. Yes, there are a plethora of open messaging protocols out there, but adopting one for first party integration doesn't prevent the others from being used.

Re: GrapheneOS Overhauled Default Apps and Secure Clipboard

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Post by NewJazz »

Geezus_42 wrote: post #72
NewJazz wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes RCS is barely a standard worth implementing, let alone the best one. Make SMS/MMS and XMPP work together seamlessly in one app, forget RCS.

Remember Pidgin and Trillium?

I use cheogram daily.

Re: GrapheneOS Overhauled Default Apps and Secure Clipboard

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Post by grapheneos »

downrightmike wrote: post #7
IshKebab wrote: post #3

Very good idea! Google abandoned these long ago. I don't really get why so many Americans want RCS to succeed though. Do you guys not remember when carriers charged 10p/text? Why on earth would you want to give any power at all back to those people?

The only benefit is sending higher DPI pictures between android and ios

RCS provides properly working group chats and end-to-end encryption with iOS and GMS Android users without having to succeed at convincing people to use Signal instead.
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