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Re: GrapheneOS Overhauled Default Apps and Secure Clipboard

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Post by kevin_thibedeau »

Groxx wrote: post #99
cesarb wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Perhaps it's different in other countries, but I've never seen anyone use MMS. (Everyone uses WhatsApp nowadays, but even before WhatsApp existed, I never saw anyone use MMS.)

It depends heavily on country, yes. USA is extremely light on WhatsApp, and MMS use is widespread (and has been free for a long time now, and SMS even longer). RCS is a mostly silent upgrade for USA. I'm not sure which of the two is better tbh. Utterly dominated by a Facebook-owned system, or using something that's crappy enough that people spread out to a variety of systems?

Amazing how blinkered supposedly privacy conscious Europeans are when they willingly line up at the Facebook slaughterhouse.

Re: GrapheneOS Overhauled Default Apps and Secure Clipboard

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Post by yndoendo »

MrDrMcCoy wrote: post #113
yndoendo wrote: post #95

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FuriLabs makes a Linux phone that is designed as a daily driver. Looking at it to replace Android.

I have it. It's far too slow to be useful, and it's not the hardware's fault. GTK and Libhybris are bad separately and hot garbage together. This problem won't be going away while the hardware is relevant.

Which model of phone from FuriLabs?

Re: GrapheneOS Overhauled Default Apps and Secure Clipboard

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Post by snazz »

MrDrMcCoy wrote: post #120
wolvoleo wrote: post #73

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In LTE and 5G there exists no cellular signal without data. That was a 2G/3G thing. Since 4G everything is data. The separate sms and voice services are gone. And 3G is rapidly being deprecated.

That's not quite true. VoLTE was an optional part of 4G in the beginning. I had one of the gaming ASUS phones that shipped with 4G, but no VoLTE. 6 months after getting it, the US phone carriers conspired to make VoLTE mandatory for connecting to their towers, effectively bricking my device. ASUS never issued the firmware update that would have enabled the feature in the modem, which had the capability, and the commu…

Yes, circuit switched fallback was possible for a time (LTE data and circuit-switched 2G or 3G voice). I think 3GPP shouldn't have written that into the spec in the first place, but you know what they say about hindsight....

The whole saga with VoLTE was really quite entertaining: https://nickvsnetworking.com/background-to-the-volte-mess/

Re: GrapheneOS Overhauled Default Apps and Secure Clipboard

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Post by snazz »

wolvoleo wrote: post #73
ebb_earl_co wrote: post #10

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From [0], it seems that RCS can use the cellular signal instead of LTE or 5G: > In cases where RCS is able to operate over cellular networks without data, it supports messaging as well as file transfer, enriched calling, and more. [0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rich_Communication_Services

In LTE and 5G there exists no cellular signal without data. That was a 2G/3G thing. Since 4G everything is data. The separate sms and voice services are gone. And 3G is rapidly being deprecated.

It's true that it's all packet-switched rather than circuit-switched, but IMS traffic is still handled differently than regular data traffic. (The most user-visible implication of this is the QCI difference: cellular phone calls are much more reliable at poor signal strength and high congestion than over-the-top VoIP calls).

Re: GrapheneOS Overhauled Default Apps and Secure Clipboard

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Post by grapheneos »

matheusmoreira wrote: post #54
ConceitedCode wrote: post #53

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What's the concern? They are working with Motorola as a manufacturer. It'll probably be a hard fork eventually but why not make it work in the meantime.

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We've collaborated with many Google engineers working on Android. Many of their engineers, security researchers and even people in management positions follow us on social media. One person who describes themselves as an AOSP engineer on Hacker News doesn't reflect what their overall engineering team thinks about GrapheneOS. This person likely also finds the security engineers at Google complaining about the same things and pushing for improvements annoying too.

Re: GrapheneOS Overhauled Default Apps and Secure Clipboard

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Post by grapheneos »

wolvoleo wrote: post #63
matheusmoreira wrote: post #54

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They basically have opposite goals to Google so I don't imagine there will every be good feelings there. There shouldn't be. Yes Google wants android to be secure, but the problem is that to be truly secure it should be secure from Google too. And they don't want that. They want it to be their personal datamine and walled garden. Just like Apple with ios.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49593405

Re: GrapheneOS Overhauled Default Apps and Secure Clipboard

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Post by grapheneos »

Groxx wrote: post #94
mrob wrote: post #60

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From the LICENSE file: https://gitlab.futo.org/keyboard/latinime/-/blob/master/LICE... >You may modify the software only for non-commercial purposes such as personal use for research, experiment, and testing for the benefit of public knowledge, personal study, private entertainment, hobby projects, amateur pursuits, or religious observance, all without any anticipated commercial application. Violates clause 3 (Derive…

Ah, yeah, agreed - "source available" fits that much better. I'm pretty sure that's the same for immich (which is also from FUTO). Thank you for the details! That lays it out nicely for anyone else passing through.

Immich doesn't use the FUTO license because they acquired it and it was already under a copyleft open source license.

Re: GrapheneOS Overhauled Default Apps and Secure Clipboard

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Post by mitxela »

anon7000 wrote: post #25
george_perez wrote: post #21

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Eh, I don’t think you have to include Apple here. If it were up to them, the iPhone would still have zero RCS support right now. The current implementation of RCS, even in iOS 27 beta, is clunky. To me, the only they’re trying to maintain control of is AppleOS-to-AppleOS text communication.

Idk, I mean RCS on iPhone is just SMS/MMS but fixing like 90% of the issues. I don’t find it that clunky.

More like it's iMessage, since it's locked to two vendors.

Re: GrapheneOS Overhauled Default Apps and Secure Clipboard

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Post by mitxela »

MrDrMcCoy wrote: post #120
wolvoleo wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In LTE and 5G there exists no cellular signal without data. That was a 2G/3G thing. Since 4G everything is data. The separate sms and voice services are gone. And 3G is rapidly being deprecated.

That's not quite true. VoLTE was an optional part of 4G in the beginning. I had one of the gaming ASUS phones that shipped with 4G, but no VoLTE. 6 months after getting it, the US phone carriers conspired to make VoLTE mandatory for connecting to their towers, effectively bricking my device. ASUS never issued the firmware update that would have enabled the feature in the modem, which had the capability, and the commu…

4G without VoLTE is using 3G for voice because there is no other 4G voice.
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