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216M Spy TVs – The LG Smart TV Problem [video]

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Re: 216M Spy TVs – The LG Smart TV Problem [video]

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Post by mitxela »

BLKNSLVR wrote: post #9
jw_cook wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> There's also a fair bit of arrogance from LG: "We own the glass..." The execs shown in those clips used some pretty revealing language. I also had to do a double-take when they described a customer's (compromised) house as an "LG household," where they "know who's in [it], we know which devices are there... we know how to extend that reach into mobile" and tell advertisers they can "own the living room." The sense…

I shared this thought with a friend of mine recently, primarily in regards to the use of residential proxies: They don't care about any effect on the individual people. They view their thing in a vacuum with some kind of religious fervor. It's a form of psychosis, and it seems increasingly prevalent in tech company leadership and so spreads into those who aspire to be tech company leadership types.

also, residential proxies don't really affect anyone except Cloudflare, who we should rightfully hate anyway. Spying does.

Re: 216M Spy TVs – The LG Smart TV Problem [video]

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Post by mitxela »

jw_cook wrote: post #6
BLKNSLVR wrote: post #5

This seems to be the worst case scenario, put into practice by a highly popular device manufacturer. Are they doing this with all of their other devices as well? Monitors, washing machines, fridges? If they can fit this into a TV, they can fit it into everything else. There's also a fair bit of arrogance from LG: "We own the glass..." leading to this great piece of marketing: "within an LG TV household we can help ex…

> There's also a fair bit of arrogance from LG: "We own the glass..." The execs shown in those clips used some pretty revealing language. I also had to do a double-take when they described a customer's (compromised) house as an "LG household," where they "know who's in [it], we know which devices are there... we know how to extend that reach into mobile" and tell advertisers they can "own the living room." The sense…

It's like AI model collapse, where they're surrounded by feedback they're doing everything right, no matter what, for a long time, the feedback loop just drifts away from baseline reality.

Re: 216M Spy TVs – The LG Smart TV Problem [video]

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Post by Quibblingeek »

klipklop wrote: post #13

Only a matter of time before they ship with cell modems so you can’t disconnect them from the internet. My LG tv post-update is never allowed on a network and it will never be updated again. Hopefully it never breaks…

I do the same thing. My concern is that if somebody makes the decision to spin up an open wireless network it’ll just try to connect to that and upload all of the telemetry it’s been holding onto.

I’m considering opening mine and taking a desoldering braid to both the RJ45 and wireless antenna solder joints. This might break the TV, but at this point if it does I’m ready to just throw it in the trash and find a commercial display.

I bought a television. I didn’t buy an invitation to be watched in the name of surveillance capitalism and until America gets its shit together with data privacy and consumer protection laws this is just going to continue happening.

I haven’t had a chance to watch this yet, but I did watch the preview and all of Steve’s latest work has been great so I’m sure it’ll be great.

Re: 216M Spy TVs – The LG Smart TV Problem [video]

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Post by satvikpendem »

klipklop wrote: post #13

Only a matter of time before they ship with cell modems so you can’t disconnect them from the internet. My LG tv post-update is never allowed on a network and it will never be updated again. Hopefully it never breaks…

Other TVs like Samsung are using a peer to peer mesh network with nearby devices instead. LG might do the same.

Re: 216M Spy TVs – The LG Smart TV Problem [video]

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Post by BLKNSLVR »

mitxela wrote: post #11
BLKNSLVR wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I shared this thought with a friend of mine recently, primarily in regards to the use of residential proxies: They don't care about any effect on the individual people. They view their thing in a vacuum with some kind of religious fervor. It's a form of psychosis, and it seems increasingly prevalent in tech company leadership and so spreads into those who aspire to be tech company leadership types.

also, residential proxies don't really affect anyone except Cloudflare, who we should rightfully hate anyway. Spying does.

Fairly strong disagree. Plenty of damage could be caused to the individual, whether they made the decision to run a residential proxy or not.

Essentially little difference from running a tor exit node.

My position is that I assume that most people running a residential proxy are not aware that they're running a residential proxy. I understand why people use them and how they're useful, but I just don't think there's informed consent. I think they essentially grew out of botnets, or botnets just rebranded into 'residential proxies'.

Having said that, I'm not trying to convince you to change your position. Feel free to continue to disagree with me.

Re: 216M Spy TVs – The LG Smart TV Problem [video]

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Post by BLKNSLVR »

klipklop wrote: post #13

Only a matter of time before they ship with cell modems so you can’t disconnect them from the internet. My LG tv post-update is never allowed on a network and it will never be updated again. Hopefully it never breaks…

I wonder whether it's better to connect it to a network that is then firewalled off from the internet. That may prevent it from looking for alternatives.

> Only a matter of time before they ship with cell modems

I do wonder about the hackability of this. Will it be a purely telemetry connection or will it be able to stream video via that connection as well? (not that data costs as much these days as it used to). Can we piggy back the rest of our internet data on this connection? LG TV as modem/router?

Will they include GPS, so they can also connect your home address to the profile they're creating on you? Location-specific advertising value would make that answer: yes!

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