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GrapheneOS Overhauled Default Apps and Secure Clipboard

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Re: GrapheneOS Overhauled Default Apps and Secure Clipboard

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That cannot be true, when I install e.g., Ubuntu system, there are plenty of applications installed for me, with incompatible licenses.

Can you please elaborate on what you mean? Ubuntu does not aim to be a permissively-licensed system. It can include copyleft (e.g. GPL) and permissive (e.g. MIT) without issue. Permissively-licensed systems like FreeBSD and GrapheneOS cannot include GPL code if they want to remain permissive.

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Re: GrapheneOS Overhauled Default Apps and Secure Clipboard

#102

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RCS was DOA from day one as far as I'm concerned. The carriers being involved in any capacity deeper than providing dumb pipes alone was enough to make it pointless, but no E2E in the base spec makes it extra pointless. They may as well have just extended SMS to be more capable, because that's what they've effectively created.

The RCS spec has encryption in its documentation. I think the current spec version is 4.0?

Almost none of my RCS conversations are encrypted. Who cares what's in the spec if nobody uses it?

Re: GrapheneOS Overhauled Default Apps and Secure Clipboard

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There is no alternative. Apple isn't going to let them build on top of iOS, and anything except those two is dead in the water because it'll never have users because it is missing a bunch of critical apps, and will never have those apps because it doesn't have users.

Remember when we thought IE's monopoly could never be broken? Or windows? Anything can and will go down. Nothing is forever.

IE's monopoly was replaced by Chrome and Safari's, and Safari only exists because Apple gives you no choice but to use it on iOS. Firefox had a brief spot on top, but it really didn't last that long.

Windows still has the vast majority share of desktop.

Re: GrapheneOS Overhauled Default Apps and Secure Clipboard

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Thanks for clarification. Anything first party from Big Tech is a lost cause privacy wise. At the same time, nobody uses it (maybe that is different in the USA, don't know). So for me this would be ultra-low prio as I (and I expect almost every other GOS user) will never use it. But I believe GOS knows what it is doing.

In the US everyone with an iphone uses RCS, so you'll often have family group conversations on it and so on. Whatsapp or signal are comparatively rare (although more common for anyone with overseas family naturally)

No, in the US, everyone with an iphone uses imessage. (Basically all my family's messaging goes over imessage) It's only when non-iphone users are on the chat that RCS comes into play.

Re: GrapheneOS Overhauled Default Apps and Secure Clipboard

#105

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Remember when we thought IE's monopoly could never be broken? Or windows? Anything can and will go down. Nothing is forever.

IE's monopoly was replaced by Chrome and Safari's, and Safari only exists because Apple gives you no choice but to use it on iOS. Firefox had a brief spot on top, but it really didn't last that long. Windows still has the vast majority share of desktop.

Yes but that's my point. Monopolies don't last. We have other ones now yes. But that's because the earlier ones died.

And yes we still have windows as the major desktop OS but don't forget, in the 90s/early 2000s windows was equivalent to computing.

These days the desktop OS is much less relevant than it was and many people don't even own a laptop or desktop anymore. They just do everything on their phone. And Microsoft totally and completely lost that race.

Re: GrapheneOS Overhauled Default Apps and Secure Clipboard

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“We'll be making a new release later today with a completely overhauled user interface written in ‹whatever›” is something developers love, and users fear.

LineageOS keyboard and the Trebuchet launcher would be most helpful.

I do miss keyboard symbols without shifting and icon packs.

Re: GrapheneOS Overhauled Default Apps and Secure Clipboard

#107

Graphene is clearly bullish on Android, but I have no idea why. The writing is on the wall, Google is slowly asphyxiating AOSP.

Apps are written for android. Graphene can run all the apps because it's android. If it couldn't run apps, you wouldn't use it. Are you posting today from a pinephone?

Re: GrapheneOS Overhauled Default Apps and Secure Clipboard

#108
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If they hard fork, a lot of apps that are generally "necessary for the average person" (e.g. Uber, banking apps, Gmail, Whatsapp/Wechat/Line) might stop working.

Sure, but what could graphene do in the meantime? It's either make it work for the moment or stop those apps from working today. I'd like to see them lay more ground work for web apps but it's a tough spot and the easiest choice at the moment is to continue with AOSP.

I don't want to see more groundwork for web apps. GrapheneOS is meant to be secure, which means running trusted apps on-device. My messages are less secure if they permanently are stored on a server.

Re: GrapheneOS Overhauled Default Apps and Secure Clipboard

#109

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Remember when we thought IE's monopoly could never be broken? Or windows? Anything can and will go down. Nothing is forever.

IE's monopoly was replaced by Chrome and Safari's, and Safari only exists because Apple gives you no choice but to use it on iOS. Firefox had a brief spot on top, but it really didn't last that long. Windows still has the vast majority share of desktop.

Chrome is the outlier there. It didn't come with any desktop OS and still got near 100% market share, even before Android contributed to that. How? It's worth studying.

Re: GrapheneOS Overhauled Default Apps and Secure Clipboard

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The source is here: https://gitlab.futo.org/keyboard/latinime Featured prominently in the "Source Code" container on https://keyboard.futo.tech/ AFAIK everything FUTO makes is open source? I haven't seen a counter-example (I have not looked hard though!), and https://futo.tech/about claims the following: > All FUTO-funded projects are expected to be open source or develop a plan to eventually become so. No effort wil…

https://gitlab.futo.org/keyboard/latinime/-/blob/master/LICE... It is not open source. They use a custom source available license. There's no way any Android distribution would include it. A layman's reading is that FUTO could claim license violation on account of the distribution accepting donations (non-commercial use only) and there's a weird clause about not accusing FUTO of patent infringement.

Alternatively they could ask FUTO for a commercial license.
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