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GrapheneOS Overhauled Default Apps and Secure Clipboard

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Re: GrapheneOS Overhauled Default Apps and Secure Clipboard

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Yes RCS is barely a standard worth implementing, let alone the best one. Make SMS/MMS and XMPP work together seamlessly in one app, forget RCS.

Remember Pidgin and Trillium?

I remember who forced me to consider other options.

Re: GrapheneOS Overhauled Default Apps and Secure Clipboard

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If they hard fork, a lot of apps that are generally "necessary for the average person" (e.g. Uber, banking apps, Gmail, Whatsapp/Wechat/Line) might stop working.

Sure, but what could graphene do in the meantime? It's either make it work for the moment or stop those apps from working today. I'd like to see them lay more ground work for web apps but it's a tough spot and the easiest choice at the moment is to continue with AOSP.

I mean we privacy nerds all love webapps but the reality is the people actually in charge of S&P500 companies hate them. They really, REALLY want to fingerprint your device and use it as a verification and tracking mechanism.

Until that changes, webapps aren't going to sell.

Even Google tried multiple things to "sell" the idea of webapps (e.g. Polymer project) in 2011-2015 and failed.

Funny enough, Wechat kinda succeeded at webapps in China because there's a strong user preference to stay inside one monolithic "everything app".

Re: GrapheneOS Overhauled Default Apps and Secure Clipboard

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It makes group messaging work a lot better, too. Previously, group chats with a mixture of ios and android users were really buggy leading to iPhone users significantly preferring group chats with all ios, which led to some social exclusion for android users in the US, leading to market dominance for iPhones. Now, with RCS, you can make a functional group chat across platforms and you don't have to convince anybody t…

Well that is if that user uses Google messages. I certainly don't even have it installed.

If you have a smartphone from the last 5 years, you have to have done something unusual to it to not have an SMS app that also does RCS.

Re: GrapheneOS Overhauled Default Apps and Secure Clipboard

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Graphene is clearly bullish on Android, but I have no idea why. The writing is on the wall, Google is slowly asphyxiating AOSP.

So what should they do instead? Just give up? Assume that it's simply inevitable that Google will cancel AOSP entirely and so Graphene should hurry up and die?

Re: GrapheneOS Overhauled Default Apps and Secure Clipboard

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Seriously, I don't see a mediocre android provider like Motorola running and maintaining a hard fork. Forking is all easy, keeping it up to date year after year as codebases diverge is a whole different story. I could see Samsung doing it. But they won't, they're too good buddies with Google. But they have the resources. A Motorola no. The grapheneos team won't either, maintaining a disparate fork and introducing new…

I think graphene could maintain a hard fork with manufacturer support (Motorola). At least for a while. Long term viability is an open question.

They could for a while but what's the point if it's not sustainable? Google is not going to turn around and make it more open again.

With every Android release you will build up more feature base to replicate. Unless you cut all ties and drive a separate ecosystem but good luck getting enough developers to buy into that.

Re: GrapheneOS Overhauled Default Apps and Secure Clipboard

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Graphene is clearly bullish on Android, but I have no idea why. The writing is on the wall, Google is slowly asphyxiating AOSP.

There is no alternative.

Apple isn't going to let them build on top of iOS, and anything except those two is dead in the water because it'll never have users because it is missing a bunch of critical apps, and will never have those apps because it doesn't have users.

Re: GrapheneOS Overhauled Default Apps and Secure Clipboard

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I hope they replace the AOSP keyboard with FUTO keyboard. I'm mostly fine with the other stock apps, but that keyboard was the one thing I absolutely had to end up replacing due to its jenky behavior.

I agree FUTO is the best right now but it's not open source so they won't.

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Re: GrapheneOS Overhauled Default Apps and Secure Clipboard

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Graphene is clearly bullish on Android, but I have no idea why. The writing is on the wall, Google is slowly asphyxiating AOSP.

There is no alternative. Apple isn't going to let them build on top of iOS, and anything except those two is dead in the water because it'll never have users because it is missing a bunch of critical apps, and will never have those apps because it doesn't have users.

Remember when we thought IE's monopoly could never be broken? Or windows?

Anything can and will go down. Nothing is forever.

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