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US gov sides with OpenAI on issue of training LLMs on copyrighted material

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Re: US gov sides with OpenAI on issue of training LLMs on copyrighted material

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…you’re saying the folks who tried suing OpenAI for accumulating their data filed a stupid copyright? And dead?

Yup. They need to start with the fact that competing nations have access to it no matter what anyone says or does. Negotiate from there.

So for you, everyone should only be good as the worst nation.

Re: US gov sides with OpenAI on issue of training LLMs on copyrighted material

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Yup. They need to start with the fact that competing nations have access to it no matter what anyone says or does. Negotiate from there.

So for you, everyone should only be good as the worst nation.

I wouldn't say they should. In some cases there is no other choice. Defense competition exists whether it's desirable or not. Pretending otherwise won't help to win a lawsuit.

Re: US gov sides with OpenAI on issue of training LLMs on copyrighted material

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So for you, everyone should only be good as the worst nation.

I wouldn't say they should. In some cases there is no other choice. Defense competition exists whether it's desirable or not. Pretending otherwise won't help to win a lawsuit.

That is a large enough gray area for me that I think it should be more regulated. If llms do truly help “a greater good” then the company, govt, or something should pay or work with the data hosters. Otherwise it’s back to llm company needs your biometrics to save the world…eventually…, but trust them.

Re: US gov sides with OpenAI on issue of training LLMs on copyrighted material

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I don't think your analogy is representative of reality. If you copy what my house looks like, no, I won't call the police. Especially if you copy it for the purpose of empowering the police (govt) to protect my actual house. That's a much more accurate analogy.

Mmm, yes. No architects, only police.

The architect's financial gain comes second to my safety.

Re: US gov sides with OpenAI on issue of training LLMs on copyrighted material

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post #33

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I wouldn't say they should. In some cases there is no other choice. Defense competition exists whether it's desirable or not. Pretending otherwise won't help to win a lawsuit.

That is a large enough gray area for me that I think it should be more regulated. If llms do truly help “a greater good” then the company, govt, or something should pay or work with the data hosters. Otherwise it’s back to llm company needs your biometrics to save the world…eventually…, but trust them.

Yeah maybe it should be. But for now, they should sue for something reasonable. Better than nothing.

Re: US gov sides with OpenAI on issue of training LLMs on copyrighted material

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post #33

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That is a large enough gray area for me that I think it should be more regulated. If llms do truly help “a greater good” then the company, govt, or something should pay or work with the data hosters. Otherwise it’s back to llm company needs your biometrics to save the world…eventually…, but trust them.

Yeah maybe it should be. But for now, they should sue for something reasonable. Better than nothing.

I guess we can agree to disagree, as I don’t think I can ever 100% trust any unregulated company with infinite data/computation. *regardless of their perceived goal

They may say they have the best of intentions, but call me skeptical.

Re: US gov sides with OpenAI on issue of training LLMs on copyrighted material

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Yeah maybe it should be. But for now, they should sue for something reasonable. Better than nothing.

I guess we can agree to disagree, as I don’t think I can ever 100% trust any unregulated company with infinite data/computation. *regardless of their perceived goal They may say they have the best of intentions, but call me skeptical.

Sure. I guess I don't see how that's relevant to the case.
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