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Re: A/I shuts down

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Post by mitxela »

Grombobulous wrote: post #114
computomatic wrote: post #102

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Most of this has me rolling my eyes (“cadre of radical hackers”? really?), but this part is interesting: > The A/I Collective… manually vets all potential users for ideological affinity before granting them access to its infrastructure. What is the truth behind that? Such behaviour would undermine A/I’s claim they are akin to Gmail if they explicitly are not a neutral ISP. After that, it becomes a question of degrees…

This is exactly the problem they ran into. A lot of the state department’s claims of “violent groups” are BS but it also seems like a non-zero number of them are pretty violent organizations. There’s a big difference between “we have designed our devices to be zero-knowledge but we act swiftly against violent/illegal activity if it’s discovered” versus “we actively endorse the views of our user base.”

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Post by cortesoft »

mcv wrote: post #416
pet_the_bird wrote: post #309

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I am not sure I see a fundamental distinction between HN censoring your speech on their platform or the government preventing you from speaking in public. Both are censoring you right? Is the difference the fact that HN is free to regulate its own platform as it wants to? For a large part I see people using digital platforms as a primary method of expressing their thoughts and opinions. Governments in both the US and…

I don't think absolute free speech exists; there are always some limits to speech. Ideally not too many, but there are kinds of speech that I don't think you have any choice but to restrict if you want to have any kind of decent, safe and free society: threats, libel/slander, blackmail, and hate speech. Those are the kind of things that will silence, mislead or manipulate others, and are therefore by themselves a thr…

I think this depends on how you define 'hate speech'. Is talking about how billionaires are the scum of the earth hate speech?

I get the idea behind banning hate speech, but it gets really tricky when you try to think how to define and enforce it. Everyone agrees you need to be able to criticize groups that you don't like, so what makes it cross the line to hate speech (besides calls to violence, which would fall under the 'threats' category anyway)?

The worry is always that if you carve out an exception to free speech to protect vulnerable groups from harassment, how do you stop a future government from expanding those groups to include their political allies?

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Post by lrvick »

stymaar wrote: post #86
unfocso wrote: post #12

Really sad, and also a testament of the fact that as much as we think we try to be indipendent, eventually once somebody starts putting enough pressure on the people around you (and you turn from "a neutral customer" to "a liability") the path to isolation is very short.

This. When the US government decides to label you “terrorist organization”, it means that you are now targeted by the most potent state actor on earth, which will go as far as blowing up weddings in your neighborhood to stop you. So unless you're willing to become a literal terrorist organization and die with a bunch of your friends in an uphill battle (not technically unwinnable, but at least lopsided and the casual…

> not technically unwinnable

Most should take those odds over giving up another inch of freedom.

Re: A/I shuts down

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Post by mitxela »

Cider9986 wrote: post #72

>Sorry, but we don’t accept Bitcoin. https://www.inventati.org/donate Should have focused on Monero donations from the get-go. Banks are a plague. Like what is a group like this using banks for or at least diversifying?? It's like choosing not to use E2EE. It's not even left political groups that get debanked or screwed—it's everyone often. Even GrapheneOS, but intelligently, they use crypto heavily: >Unfortunately,…

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Re: A/I shuts down

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Post by mitxela »

13415 wrote: post #160
NetOpWibby wrote: post #65

A DNS alt-root and something like x402 would fix this

I still think a decentralized DNS alternative could scale, if done the right way. I also think that the majority of sites would be more secure if they used a system like ssh to deal with certificates, and government-controlled trust chains should be left for banking and other "official" stuff.

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Re: A/I shuts down

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Post by Dylan16807 »

inferniac wrote: post #437
coldpie wrote: post #85

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The US Republican party has been inventing an increasingly elaborate alternate reality fiction in order to convince their voters to keep voting for policy positions that obviously work against those voters' own interests. One component of this alternate reality is a fictional terrorist organization called "antifa." They claim that anyone who does not align with their policies is a member of this organization. This al…

>voting for policy positions that obviously work against those voters' own interests Delusions of grandeur / superiority complex much? Have you considered a posibility, that these voters just dont agree with your idea of what their best interests are? >fictional terrorist organization called "antifa." An organization so fictional, that just a few months back multiple members were convicted in a terrorist attack https…

Any was there any proof of them being members of anything beyond that group of about ten people? That article sure doesn't claim it.

If a movement has no leaders at all then it's not an organization.

Re: A/I shuts down

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Post by mitxela »

K0balt wrote: post #41
righthand wrote: post #3

> We are stopping, but the Resistance and ideas do not stop. Stay human. How will that be if the resistance is not visible to the public. What are all the people using their services supposed to do? I’m guessing there are plans to reform in a few years. Why is the Italian government not protecting them?

Resistance and revolution happened before the internet. People have become lazy and complacent, and want their resistance served up over the wire. Thats not how real resistance happens, but it does make people feel like they are doing something, sucking up their energy while the biggest impact is TikTok memes, the modern version of the sternly worded letter. This is exactly where the power structures want the struggl…

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