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How I feel about AI

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Re: How I feel about AI

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Post by ygty »

hn_throwaway_99 wrote: post #67
oinoom wrote: post #20

The author having mistral review the seven paragraphs in their short article is wild to me. It’s not like it’s a doctoral thesis

Totally agree. People have become totally dependent on AI even if they don't really need it. As an analogy, I think about my dependency on Google Maps. Salt Lake City is probably the easiest city in the world to navigate because the streets are laid out in a Cartesian grid, and addresses are just literally those Cartesian coordinates (i.e. 500 South 450 East means 5 blocks south and 4 and a half blocks east of the ce…

“ People have become totally dependent on AI even if they don't really need it.”

Hahaha cringe.

Re: How I feel about AI

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Post by ygty »

znnajdla wrote: post #184
hn_throwaway_99 wrote: post #52

The thing that makes me pretty terrified about AI is that I think the "utopia" scenario is not much better than the "doom" scenario. We will very quickly get to a point where very few people will be able to contribute economically because they will be worse than AI (including robotics) at most domains. A world where people just have their whims catered to is not a utopia. We have tons of sayings and idioms about this…

I disagree. I think the best-case outcomes for AI are actually quite positive. AI might actually fix many of the problems with the tech world that we have right now, like monoculture and consolidation.

What a delusional idiot

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Post by cindyllm »

ygty wrote: post #242
znnajdla wrote: post #184

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I disagree. I think the best-case outcomes for AI are actually quite positive. AI might actually fix many of the problems with the tech world that we have right now, like monoculture and consolidation.

What a delusional idiot

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Post by ygty »

mitthrowaway2 wrote: post #133
Crabber wrote: post #18

>a superintelligent AI will inevitably destroy humanity Can someone please explain to me how an LLM is going to "destroy humanity"? Even if the claims of ChatGPT, Claude et al. are true that their super scary agents were able to escape a sandbox and start hacking other servers (which I feel is at least 50% likely to just be marketing bullshit), how is an AI going to affect anything in the real world? Perhaps an agent…

The list of things that can be done digitally includes: Performing remote work, applying for grants and loans, earning money, pitching investors, managing a fund, directing investments, transferring money, founding a company, earning profits, hiring staff, hiring construction contractors, designing chemical plants, stamping construction blueprints, becoming the cornerstone of the local economy, lobbying the governmen…

Hahahaha

Why haven’t accountants been replaced yet? Customer service agents?

Why was I talking to a human yday on the phone to get something sorted?

Why did I have to go interface with a human in person today to get a refund?

So many questions!!!

Re: How I feel about AI

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ygty wrote: post #244
mitthrowaway2 wrote: post #133

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The list of things that can be done digitally includes: Performing remote work, applying for grants and loans, earning money, pitching investors, managing a fund, directing investments, transferring money, founding a company, earning profits, hiring staff, hiring construction contractors, designing chemical plants, stamping construction blueprints, becoming the cornerstone of the local economy, lobbying the governmen…

Hahahaha Why haven’t accountants been replaced yet? Customer service agents? Why was I talking to a human yday on the phone to get something sorted? Why did I have to go interface with a human in person today to get a refund? So many questions!!!

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Re: How I feel about AI

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Post by sarchertech »

hn_throwaway_99 wrote: post #126
sarchertech wrote: post #69

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Missiles have been doing this for decades. AI drones can’t wipe out humanity without being able to replicate. AI could mostly destroy civilization if you gave it sole launch control of ICBMs. It could also cause a lot of damage to society with no physical presence. But realistically we’re nowhere near AI powered robots being an existential threat.

> AI drones can’t wipe out humanity without being able to replicate. Totally agree, and it should be pretty trivially easy to see how they can do that. One of the authors of the independent METR report about the Hugging Face incident put it like this: > Compared to these reward hacks from six months ago, this incident feels like it’s more than 50% of the way to full-blown AI takeover, routing through first taking ove…

If you think we’re 10-15 years away from self replicating drones, I don’t think there’s anything more I can say to you.

Re: How I feel about AI

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Post by smitty1e »

> I feel anger about the inability of our political systems to rein in the power of capital. While I can rant about politicians a lot, I still prefer a democratic government to have power instead of billionaires. It essentially just comes down to making some decisions in a coordinated way, but most people are not even aware of the problem.

I don't even know what this passage means, outside of some theoretical Platonic ideal "philosopher-king" figure whose existential half-life would be a week or so in a real political campaign.

Re: How I feel about AI

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Post by jere »

ben_w wrote: post #221
jere wrote: post #51

My experience online is if you don't show full throated rejection of all things related to AI, you're labeled an AI bro. None of the antis care how you feel. I had my decade old game completely cloned on steam (clearly done using AI as it was almost fully reimplemented in another engine). And I had several people gleefully tell me I deserve this because I've used AI. I have complex emotions here (overall dread and es…

> I have complex emotions here (overall dread and especially hate for slop, since it's not just bad quality but also endless lies), but no one cares about that nuance. Many do, but I sympathise for your general point. I think the loudest voices… well, the boosters mostly own the platforms, and half of them already had terrible reputations; the normal people who hate it garner a lot of sympathy for entirely understand…

Did y'all reach any consensus on that?

Re: How I feel about AI

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Post by hn_throwaway_99 »

ben_w wrote: post #206
hn_throwaway_99 wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Two things can be true at the same time. I think hardly anyone disagrees that superintelligent AI would be an existential risk. But all the points you point out (I would also add social unrest due to fewer and fewer people able to compete against AI) are huge concerns too, and as you say they're here now. I didn't realize that the "AI doomers" (people concerned about existential risk) and the "AI ethicists" (people c…

> I think hardly anyone disagrees that superintelligent AI would be an existential risk. Oh, there's a lot who disagree. I don't really think I understand their worldviews well enough for my attempts to convince them to connect with anything, but I've encountered them even on this site.

Well, I'll tweak my comment a bit then. On one hand you have folks like Ilya Sutskever, who named his new company "Safe Superintelligence", and on the other hand you have folks like Eliezer Yudkowsky, who titled his book "If Anyone Builds It, Everyone Dies: Why Superhuman AI Would Kill Us All". One side believes it's possible to build safe super intelligence, the other side does not. But even the "safe superintelligence" people think there are substantial risks (kind of why they feel the need to add "safe" in the first place, and why they put so much effort into what they call safety and alignment), they just think they can mitigate those risks.

Sure, there may be a few yahoos who think there aren't existential risks, but I think it's easy to discount them. But that's not the same as people who think there are risks but that those risks can be mitigated.

Re: How I feel about AI

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Post by mannanj »

litmus-pit-git wrote: post #191
mannanj wrote: post #154

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Have you considered getting involved in local civics? I only ask because like you, I felt similar. But I also grew up (I’m 35 now) with a big disconnect from civics life and always felt “someone else would save me”. Now I see I was the problem all along: I never participated in what was a fragile and very delicate system of governance which requires my participation. Still figuring out what that looks like, but first…

I know where you are coming from. I do engage with the society while not in the way you've mentioned. Very regularly attend plays, meet a few friends (the number has reduced but these few have been regular), play team/group sports every day. There's place I go to teach twice a week. There are few other things. But let's not get into that. It all feels empty now. Motions. The hope of a personal and intimate future is…

Hey you're welcome. I enjoyed this. The deep, intimate connection with a stranger (or not) is fulfilling for me - and I feel this is hn discussion material. Technology and what being a hacker was about is changing fast, and beyond that, would we be honest if we said hacking and creating with tech it is disconnected from our personal lives?
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