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Post by ljlolel »

MrScruff wrote: post #194
jazzyjackson wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They’ve settled some lawsuits and have a few licensing deals, IMHO they are not free from the accusations of pirating. And look, I’ve pirated material in a past life, I was all about information wants to be free, but I’ve learned something about consent since then and try not to ignore the contract that creators offer when they publish something: you buy my book, and do whatever you want with it on the second hand ma…

The point is, the big improvements we’re seeing nowadays are coming from RL, not from scraping the internet.

the point isn’t scraping it’s taking your data and enterprises data

https://trustedrouter.com/blog/they-are-still-training-on-yo...

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Post by Revanche1367 »

“Teaching machines to love”

That’s rich coming from the chief scientist of a company that definitely is or going to be fine with their AI products being used in wars of aggression and surveillance on people who have done nothing wrong. It’s so laughable, a Hollywood script would probably avoid having a character express this for being too on the nose.

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Post by IAmGraydon »

logicchains wrote: post #105
hatefulmoron wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe I just lack imagination, but I don't really know how jobs are supposed to solidify around the role of giving prompts to agents and then looking at the results. I mean, engineers will be in the breadline because their role was simply to prompt the agents.. only to be superseded by managers or executives who no longer manage engineers but themselves prompt the agents? And, for this previously considered obsolete…

There are two things SOTA LLMs fundamentally cannot do. They cannot take financial or legal responsibility for mistakes, and they cannot learn new things without forgetting things (except to a limited degree by adding it to their context). This is clear to anyone who has used even the smartest models for tasks requiring domain knowledge outside of math and coding, for which it's not possible to generate an infinite a…

>There are two things SOTA LLMs fundamentally cannot do.

I would say there’s a third thing. They seem to be very bad at being creative. Maybe they will eventually fix that, but if you ask it to come up with a list of business names or business ideas, for example, what you’ll get is the most generic, boring answer you could think of. They seem to be terrible at extrapolating outside of their training data. To me, this is the most significant difference.

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Post by paxys »

pu_pe wrote: post #37

> The strongest argument I see for continuing to train much smarter models quickly is the need to build defensive systems against the dangers posed by other AI. So the best argument for AI is that it's an arms race. We have to keep pushing every boundary because in any case others will, and we will need to defend against them. If this statement is true, then this particular researchers believes the open source Chines…

I don't understand what you are trying to say. Do you believe AI is not an arms race?

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Post by paxys »

brcmthrowaway wrote: post #75
gertlabs wrote: post #72

> Delivering the benefits of scientific progress and economic growth that very intelligent machines enable. I think we're very close to the point where AI-driven breakthroughs outside of pure math and software start to really affect the world. We evaluated GPT-6 Astra in 100 complex, unsaturated multi-agent coding environments, competing and cooperating with other models in open-ended tasks. It's the new frontier mod…

Incredible... software engineers will be joining the breadline soon as managers, executives and PMs take over deliverables. The world will look very different on Jan 1st 2027.

Software engineers have been trying to put themselves out of a job ever since the profession first came into being. Whenever an engineer gets a task their very first thought is "how can I automate this?" Going by mainstream consensus we should all have been unemployed by now. Yet every new leap into automation opens up a whole new tree of possibilities with an order of magnutude more jobs. So no, the profession will be fine. The only requirement is that you keep up with the new advancements. The people losing jobs will be the ones who still go "I don't trust this AI thing to write code for me".

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Post by alastairr »

The hubris here is itself a deliberate and carefully engineered posture. If we accept the stance that this is all inevitable then the labs drive the agenda (of course, in their favour).

We've had a lot of years of complacent government leaving people feeling exposed to corporate interests, such that fear narratives are very powerful.

None of what is being proposed is inevitable. We have a choice.

Re: An Alien Mind

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Post by an0malous »

SquibblesRedux wrote: post #227

I am still waiting for a cure to cancer. For a guaranteed prophylactic against Alzheimer's and dementia. For flying cars for everyone. For space bases throughout the solar system. For weather control. For all trains to be self-driving. For all those power lines across the world to go away. For an end to poverty. If things are going so well, then how come things still aren't going so well?

I mean I’m waiting for like any quality software or media produced by AI. I have yet to see a piece of software, a game, graphic, blog post, small video clip, or song that was produced with AI that’s good. I always use that Coca Cola ad as an example; millions of dollars spent to make an AI ad and they even did a ton of manual post production and it sucked. With all the millions of bloggers and influencers and content creators out there with a huge incentive to make higher quality content to beat their competition, you’d think there would be one piece of content produced with AI that was great.

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Post by golemotron »

alastairr wrote: post #236

The hubris here is itself a deliberate and carefully engineered posture. If we accept the stance that this is all inevitable then the labs drive the agenda (of course, in their favour). We've had a lot of years of complacent government leaving people feeling exposed to corporate interests, such that fear narratives are very powerful. None of what is being proposed is inevitable. We have a choice.

Unfortunately, it is a collective action problem. Whenever I hear "we" I flinch.

Re: An Alien Mind

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Post by alastairr »

golemotron wrote: post #239
alastairr wrote: post #236

The hubris here is itself a deliberate and carefully engineered posture. If we accept the stance that this is all inevitable then the labs drive the agenda (of course, in their favour). We've had a lot of years of complacent government leaving people feeling exposed to corporate interests, such that fear narratives are very powerful. None of what is being proposed is inevitable. We have a choice.

Unfortunately, it is a collective action problem. Whenever I hear "we" I flinch.

Can you say more?
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