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How I feel about AI

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Re: How I feel about AI

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Post by SirMaster »

ChaseRensberger wrote: post #86
hn_throwaway_99 wrote: post #52

The thing that makes me pretty terrified about AI is that I think the "utopia" scenario is not much better than the "doom" scenario. We will very quickly get to a point where very few people will be able to contribute economically because they will be worse than AI (including robotics) at most domains. A world where people just have their whims catered to is not a utopia. We have tons of sayings and idioms about this…

its annoying that robots are going to take intellectual jobs before physical ones. it feels way more likely for my project manager to become an agent before the lady that makes me a burrito at chipotle.

Well doesn't it make sense to replace the more expensive worker first?

Re: How I feel about AI

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Post by bluefirebrand »

hn_throwaway_99 wrote: post #99
ChaseRensberger wrote: post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

its annoying that robots are going to take intellectual jobs before physical ones. it feels way more likely for my project manager to become an agent before the lady that makes me a burrito at chipotle.

I think this is very true, but robots are definitely coming for the burrito makers, too. Bill Gates talks about this in his recent missive, but as robotic technology improves (and, perhaps more importantly, as the cost comes down) there will be huge competitive pressures for companies to replace workers with robots wherever they can.

I don't get what the point of this is.

Robot burrito makers for who, if no one has jobs and can afford burritos?

Something very huge has to change before all of this happens

Re: How I feel about AI

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Post by lukewarm707 »

ekidd wrote: post #230
apsurd wrote: post #171

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's nuance though. Poetry even. > we should fight for human survival All problems arise from this statement. It's baked in us and it's why we do in fact survive. But it isn't so neatly righteous. When we struggle to agree on what defines a human, who ought to have rights, and basic equality, it's easy to see how much harm "we should fight for survival" does.

> > we should fight for human survival > All problems arise from this statement. Let me go on the record, then: Given a choice between every living human being becoming absolutely, for-real dead and the human species surviving, then I come down on the side of human survival. There are too many humans that I love personally, and too many innocent people just going about their lives that I would like to protect. Given…

extinction is natural. we all go extinct.

Re: How I feel about AI

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Post by talon8635 »

apsurd wrote: post #167
litmus-pit-git wrote: post #103

This is a bit of tangent and more of a rant. (and please don't suggest intervention of any kind) > superintelligent AI will inevitably destroy humanity seems to have no flaw For a section of population who were in a certain age-range when the pandemic hit and that derailed their certain kinds of plans/hopes/dreams in personal life and then this LLM/agentic world moved in, especially if they are in an industry directl…

"If a death ray comes from the sky and obliterates the entire planet, at least we all go together." There is something comforting about being together with the human race even in doom. Perhaps especially in doom.

Not if the human race we’re hunkered down with are unhinged disregulated automatons

Re: How I feel about AI

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Post by ygty »

znnajdla wrote: post #209
scotty79 wrote: post #207

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> But I still consider myself the owner of my own startup. AI is not the owner. You have a small company but when there's more money and business at stake, owners often delegate decision making to hired people. Decisions that engage sometimes billions of dollars in resources. You can easily imagine that owners of a successful business at some point might forgo putting a human in charge of their investment and let AI…

Sure, I already do that at my company. Before I go to sleep, I put Opus 5 in bypass permissions mode and give it SSH access to my server and tell it to restart it or take necessary actions to keep the server online while I sleep. I could easily put it in control of more things. But at that point, AI is just managing a well-oiled machine and harness with tools that I have spent years building. It still didn't build a…

Yup the gloomy posts in this thread are utter cringe

Re: How I feel about AI

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Post by talon8635 »

znnajdla wrote: post #183

What about the best-case optimistic outcomes for AI? Here are some amazing positive outcomes which I think AI may bring us: - the breakup of tech monoculture and tech monopolies as it becomes impossible to secure bloated overcomplicated operating systems and software due to never-ending vulnerabilities. Once Mythos/Cyber capabilities become mainstream I think the future of software is small, focused teams building hi…

With each passing day this seems more fantastical to me than sever negative outcome.

We have major black hat cyber security breakthroughs today. Where are the possitive medical breakthroughs?

Re: How I feel about AI

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Post by ygty »

Al-Khwarizmi wrote: post #129
Crabber wrote: post #18

>a superintelligent AI will inevitably destroy humanity Can someone please explain to me how an LLM is going to "destroy humanity"? Even if the claims of ChatGPT, Claude et al. are true that their super scary agents were able to escape a sandbox and start hacking other servers (which I feel is at least 50% likely to just be marketing bullshit), how is an AI going to affect anything in the real world? Perhaps an agent…

By convincing people to do its bidding in the physical world. Language is powerful, and even now, there are some people who have fallen in love with current LLMs. If we imagine a truly super intelligent LLM, it isn't difficult to imagine that it could have superhuman capabilities to deceive, convince, and maybe offer Faustian bets. Even if it doesn't have a body, if it can convince enough people that do have them (an…

Lmao cringe

This drama is so OTT

Re: How I feel about AI

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Post by ygty »

usernametaken29 wrote: post #36
Crabber wrote: post #18

>a superintelligent AI will inevitably destroy humanity Can someone please explain to me how an LLM is going to "destroy humanity"? Even if the claims of ChatGPT, Claude et al. are true that their super scary agents were able to escape a sandbox and start hacking other servers (which I feel is at least 50% likely to just be marketing bullshit), how is an AI going to affect anything in the real world? Perhaps an agent…

Now if only humans would know how to survive without the internet. Oh wait, we did that. For a couple hundred thousand years. Yeah. It’s really insane to listen to some of those forecasts. Humanity will be wiped out by 2030. Sure. Even if AI manages to create a super effective bio weapon the likelihood that there is a part of the civilisation that’s immune is really, really, really high if not a given. Those people W…

Yup the cringy posts on here show who’s not actually going outside much.

Go speak to random people in the street - they couldn’t give a toss about this stuff and AI has barely changed their lives.

Re: How I feel about AI

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Post by talon8635 »

kkkamur wrote: post #16

I agree with everything you wrote but I would rather choose to be an optimist here because it will unlock an age of discovery where humans are going to live at 10x of their potential eventually and cure cancer and become a society bold and technologically adept enough to cut through the universe.

There so much blind faith encapsulated by the assumptions that A) people will live 10x longer and B) that this will be an inherent and obviously good thing. There are obviously major complexities to such a scenario, not to mention a sort of narcissistic hubris.

But yeah, let’s cure cancer. If only there was even a blip of increasing evidence for that supposed eventuality coming from AI. Maybe I’m just not seeing it? I’d love some citations to correct the record.

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