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Wikimedia Foundation Workers Overwhelmingly Vote to Form Union with CWA

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Re: Wikimedia Foundation Workers Overwhelmingly Vote to Form Union with CWA

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My experience is that unions very often make things stupider and less efficient. I've been forced to give to two of them that were basically just political cosplay by children (well really the $ was taken without consent before it was even in my hands, so it was stolen) And I've had the displeasure of working in a factory environment that was unionized. Perhaps there was a time when this made sense, but I think those…

I would submit the idea that a lot of union reforms that have been made to laws in the US have been specifically designed to make unions less attractive and less incentivized toward positive outcomes.

Which laws? And why?

Re: Wikimedia Foundation Workers Overwhelmingly Vote to Form Union with CWA

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>Anyone can be a Wikipedia editor, assuming you haven't done something egregious and gotten a lifetime ban. Firstly, not all articles are open to editing by gen-pop. See: Extended confirmed protection on many. Secondly, some pages that are hot on the political side can then become subject to broader Wikipedia contentious topics / discretionary sanctions rules, so even eligible editors who qualified for extended confi…

>OK, but why are you bringing this up? Mostly as disclosure that I worked there. Not trying to make a point about anything at all. Just offering my observations as a former employee.

Would wikipedia/WMF protect its editors even if they were known to be supporters of Trump and ICE?

Re: Wikimedia Foundation Workers Overwhelmingly Vote to Form Union with CWA

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FANG juniors make 350k+/year?

After factoring in employer taxes, employer side benefits costs, etc yeah that wouldn't surprise me.

Making = what employees earn gross, not the extra burdens on the employer that the government takes

Re: Wikimedia Foundation Workers Overwhelmingly Vote to Form Union with CWA

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>It looks like a healthy extended family where resources are shared towards a common goal of health and liberty. In the Europe, like several rich western countries, we mostly replaced the extended family with the government welfare state, for better but mostly for worse. So current young workers are contributing to a failing state ponzi pension system that will leave them in poverty by the time they retire in several…

Doesn’t sound very much like a healthy family to me

WDYM?

Re: Wikimedia Foundation Workers Overwhelmingly Vote to Form Union with CWA

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Can someone explain why do they need a union when they work for a non-profit? Aren't they mostly volunteers? From my experience in my youth volunteering at animal shelters and environmental protection groups, you never volunteer for a non-profit for the money or the job stability, but you do it for the mission and the satisfaction of being the change you want to be in the world, even if that means living off ramen an…

> work for a non-profit? Aren't they mostly volunteers? No. Common misconception. It's a business and career like any other. > experience in my youth volunteering at animal shelters and environmental protection groups Just not applicable, here.

>It's a business and career like any other.

Then why should we treat Wikipedia any differently than we treat Meta, OpenAI, Google, Apple etc? When they're just in the business of making money and the "mission" can always just be another facade similar to OpenAI?

>Just not applicable, here.

Explain please.

Re: Wikimedia Foundation Workers Overwhelmingly Vote to Form Union with CWA

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I would submit the idea that a lot of union reforms that have been made to laws in the US have been specifically designed to make unions less attractive and less incentivized toward positive outcomes.

Which laws? And why?

Here's a big paper on the subject: https://files.epi.org/pdf/215908.pdf

I'm not sure it touches on the exact concept I said, though. I've read about it somewhere else that I can't find right now.

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