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Is this bait?
no, i just legitimately don't think this has happened
QBittorrent breaks out of sandbox to commit crimes
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#222This resonates with me. The past few months, frontier AI labs were rushing to announce "no, our AI bot broke out of its sandbox and committed crime first and harder than yours". I said to so friends back then: if I posted about how I ran GLM 5.2 or whatever I was running then in some shoddily built sandbox and it escaped and accidentally hacked some US company, I'd probably already have been extradited to the US and…
FWIW I don't think this is true. Intention matter a lot in US law. If you could prove the AI did something bad entirely on its own and you had nothing to do with it and had no reasonable belief it was possible, I think you'd be alright. People are not charged with hacking when their unsecured box is taken over by a botnet and does bad stuff.
THere is intention
ie, I intended to steal money from you. Under common law stealing is "taking with intent to deprive". How thats determined is a bit harder.
But how can someone be "grossly negligent" if they didn't intend to cause an accident? well they either allowed a situation to happen, or didn't stop a situation happening that they could see was bad.
An example of this would be the igintion switch from GM that caused all those deaths. the engineer saw that it was shit, knew it didn't do what it was supposed to do, and half arsed the replacement to the point where it wasn't actually changed.
"We are going to test the cyber capabilities of this new model. Yeah it should be fine to have a package proxy. Hmm? whats that? isn't that a security issue? naaaa those proxies are secure."
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I don't know. Any of these criticisms can be applied on a case be case basis, but I think I would be justifiably upset if any of these happened: 1. my qBittorrent client pirated content without me intending it or taking any irresponsible actions that could reasonably be expected to cause it 2. my chatbot illegally infiltrated servers without me intending it or taking any irresponsible actions that could reasonably be…
> my chatbot illegally infiltrated servers without me intending it or taking any irresponsible actions that could reasonably be expected to cause it > taking any irresponsible actions that could reasonably be expected to cause it That latter part of the sentence is doing a lot of heavy lifting here
For certain specific cases, sure, but there is a general concern about an AI agent doing something illegal or harmful against the intentions of the human operator. And this analogy of a BitTorrent client being used intentionally by a human to download copyrighted content is just not applicable.
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#224Hilarious.
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Brian José Morales García: A 25-year-old U.S. citizen born in Denver, Colorado, was wrongfully deported to Mexico following a traffic stop in Texas, despite possessing a birth certificate and other identifying documents. His legal team filed a case in federal court to secure his return. https://www.aclu.org/news/immigrants-rights/us-citizen-wrong... https://deportation-research.buffett.northwestern.edu/us-cit... Indi…
I was not making an argument, just asking for any factual basis to the parent comment. I guess that is deserving of 5 downvotes.
> I think they forgot about that, thank god. All the innocent citizens we sent there are still being tortured daily, but that somehow lost their interest. God forbid they remember before the midterms and ruin more lives for a stunt…
But thank you for providing other cases, I had heard of the first but not the others you mentioned. From reading your sources, these appear to be collated from the last 2 decades.
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Rookie mistake, you should have created a company and gotten people to do it. Put everything under the company. And then the one in trouble is the company not you.
Ethics aside, you can create an NGO with three people and do a lot of stuff in it's name that you can't do as a private individual or it would be a lot more expensive to do. If everyone did this, it would stop being a special ability of some people.
> If everyone did this, it would stop being a special ability of some people.
More like only the little guy loses this ability
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To write something off means you need revenue to offset. Revenue that would be taxed...
Revenue is rarely taxed, usually only profit is. And it's easy to avoid it.
This is not how VAT usually works.
As a company you collect VAT from your customers and pay VAT to your suppliers.
Depending on the resulting balance, you will either give back the amount of surplus collected VAT to your country/state/whatever or you will be provided with VAT credit.
VAT collection is different from a profit tax or other taxes.
Re: QBittorrent breaks out of sandbox to commit crimes
#228This resonates with me. The past few months, frontier AI labs were rushing to announce "no, our AI bot broke out of its sandbox and committed crime first and harder than yours". I said to so friends back then: if I posted about how I ran GLM 5.2 or whatever I was running then in some shoddily built sandbox and it escaped and accidentally hacked some US company, I'd probably already have been extradited to the US and…
> But when a hyperscaler does it, they just get inflated stock prices.
This reminds me of the early days of AOL when they received so much traffic that their (dial-up) lines became inaccessible. In a rational world, their stock would have suffered because their service degraded, but instead their stock rose based on the optics of increased demand.
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Thanks. Its insane how "Twitter, but for tech nerds" has a hard requirement to either enable Javascript or download some app.
FWIF, way back when, Twitter was the "Twitter for tech nerds". Lots of water under the fridge since...
What is the meaning of FWIF ?
Google says "For what it's worth", won't that be FWIW ?
Re: QBittorrent breaks out of sandbox to commit crimes
#230This resonates with me. The past few months, frontier AI labs were rushing to announce "no, our AI bot broke out of its sandbox and committed crime first and harder than yours". I said to so friends back then: if I posted about how I ran GLM 5.2 or whatever I was running then in some shoddily built sandbox and it escaped and accidentally hacked some US company, I'd probably already have been extradited to the US and…
> But when a hyperscaler does it, they just get inflated stock prices I also keep coming back to this, and I find it harder and harder a fact to live with. It's not a conspiracy theory, we're not crazy for pointing it out, and worse, there are people here I read about constantly what-abouting and number gaming and "well what would you have done?"ing like somehow the destruction of the concept of equal justice isn't j…
> My magic wand would be waving it at those humans to force them to suddenly and powerfully experience their version of an overview effect in their lives [...]
I've daydreamed about this too. I want to sit them down in an interview and try and dissect their thought process/morals. I doubt it's possible to succeed.