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Re: Asahi Linux on M3

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Post by basisword »

saghm wrote: post #96
basisword wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

a) that's feedback b) it's useful in a comment thread like this so people can quickly see what the 'caveats' mentioned in the title of the post are

Feedback in a forum stating something the developers are probably well aware people want in a location the developers might not even be reading is not particularly useful feedback. As for the comment thread utility, sure, I guess if you think that not reading the article is valuable for the HN community, but I could just as easily argue that pushing back against comments like that could be seen as valuable for a comm…

It was valuable for me. I've been waiting for Asahi on M3 and quickly wanted to know what the 'caveat' was. Saved me some time.

Re: Asahi Linux on M3

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Post by fwn »

xrd wrote: post #97

I'm not sure I understand the target user for Asahi. Is this someone that only wants to run Linux and wants to use their GPU on Linux? Seems like this is not the case, yet. Or, is this for someone that wants to dual boot and use Linux sometimes, and then reboot into MacOS when they want to use the GPU?

I bought a Mac mini M4 simply because it was very cheap and the M4 chip offers great performance. It is currently mounted on the back of my TV and serves as a media station.

It runs macOS, but I have no particular interest in the operating system, nor do I own any other Apple hardware. (So no synergies.) It is alright (and better than Win11) but the preinstalled software does not even properly update without an Apple account. As soon as I can switch over to Linux, I will. ... I would just wait for all the ports to work.

Re: Asahi Linux on M3

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Post by jjtheblunt »

VCFundedGenYer wrote: post #63
jjtheblunt wrote: post #26

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Apple's hypervisor.framework lets other OS instances run very very fast with the UTM app (open source on github, but i use the prebuilt version from the App Store). In my case i've used arm native linuxes (arch with various compositors, kde, gnome, fedora) all on M2, M2 Max, M5 and the experience is indistinguishable from native. MacOS is running too. I think hardcore graphics folks might want direct accelerator acce…

I don't think you understand what Asahi Linux is. This isn't about running VMs.

I used Asahi linux on M1 for a couple years, and dual booted, and worked as an engineer in an inner part of Apple. I definitely know what Asahi is.

Re: Asahi Linux on M3

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Post by teaearlgraycold »

xrd wrote: post #108
herrkanin wrote: post #104

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I have an M2 Macbook Air that i sometimes boot into Asahi to play Steam games that doesn't work natively on mac. It works unreasonably well given that there is something like five different translation layers to make it work!

Steam is incredible on Linux. I'm amazed my kids can play so many games using proton on Ubuntu. So, if there are five translation layers, why not run a Linux VM using UTM and play there? Is there a technical reason that does not work?

It’s cooler to run Linux on bare metal

Re: Asahi Linux on M3

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Post by raverbashing »

xrd wrote: post #97

I'm not sure I understand the target user for Asahi. Is this someone that only wants to run Linux and wants to use their GPU on Linux? Seems like this is not the case, yet. Or, is this for someone that wants to dual boot and use Linux sometimes, and then reboot into MacOS when they want to use the GPU?

Honestly I wouldn't waste any of my time trying to run a worse OS than MacOS in a hardware that wasn't completely supported by the sw

As much as I like Linux this kind of tinkering is only for people with more time and less expectations about the experience

If I need Linux I can always go for UTM or something similar

Re: Asahi Linux on M3

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Post by alt227 »

dymk wrote: post #110
alt227 wrote: post #9

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So that you have to keep buying Macs every few years of course. If they gave you a way to install linux easily then you could use it far past their intended lifespan and wouldnt keep you locked into the apple ecosystem. They have proved time and time again that Apple hardware running anything but MacOS or iOS is something they will work very hard to stop you doing.

> every few years of course That sounds like a you thing; I've kept my macs for at least 5 years. My M1 is still going strong and I haven't felt any pressure to upgrade.

2 more years and your mac will not install the latest MacOS version, which then means you will no longer be able to update any software on your own computer or install any new software either. If you could install linux or any other OS on it you would be able to use it for decades to come, but instead you will be forced to buy another new shiny Apple box.

You will probably argue thats ok because you would have wanted one anyway by that time or some such point, but the fact remains that Apple will force you to upgrade your hardware not very long away by not allowing you to install anything on it.

Re: Asahi Linux on M3

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Post by alt227 »

alsetmusic wrote: post #30
alt227 wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So that you have to keep buying Macs every few years of course. If they gave you a way to install linux easily then you could use it far past their intended lifespan and wouldnt keep you locked into the apple ecosystem. They have proved time and time again that Apple hardware running anything but MacOS or iOS is something they will work very hard to stop you doing.

> past their intended lifespan This bullshit needs to die. The products are designed to last.

The hardware is designed to last, the software is designed to force you to buy a new device after 7 years at most.

Re: Asahi Linux on M3

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Post by GeekyBear »

xrd wrote: post #97

I'm not sure I understand the target user for Asahi. Is this someone that only wants to run Linux and wants to use their GPU on Linux? Seems like this is not the case, yet. Or, is this for someone that wants to dual boot and use Linux sometimes, and then reboot into MacOS when they want to use the GPU?

> I'm not sure I understand the target user for Asahi.

If you want to run bare metal Linux on Apple's hardware (instead of running it in a virtual machine) you are the target audience.

Re: Asahi Linux on M3

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Post by saghm »

basisword wrote: post #111
saghm wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Feedback in a forum stating something the developers are probably well aware people want in a location the developers might not even be reading is not particularly useful feedback. As for the comment thread utility, sure, I guess if you think that not reading the article is valuable for the HN community, but I could just as easily argue that pushing back against comments like that could be seen as valuable for a comm…

It was valuable for me. I've been waiting for Asahi on M3 and quickly wanted to know what the 'caveat' was. Saved me some time.

You're entitled to your opinion that scrolling to the last comment on the page is preferable to reading the article. I'm also entitled to mine that it's a net loss to the quality of conversation.
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