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Post by apricot »

> In a world where allegations are disconnected from reality, we can only expect repression to be increasingly disproportionate.

At the very beginning of his first mandate, when he lied about something as trivial as the size of the crowd during his inauguration, and kept to his lies despite absolute evidence to the contrary, never showing any hesitation, second thoughts, or remorse, Trump showed everyone the way ahead.

Do not look at facts. Decide what you want to be true, and act like it is true. Do this every day of every year. In the beginning, people will object; do not get into a debate with them, rather continue making up lies, bigger ones.

I remember seeing videos of a tsunami for the first time. I imagined a huge wave that destroyed everything. It was nothing like that. It started slowly. The water level rose, a few waves went over a wall and onto streets, But the water kept coming, and coming, destroying everything that stood in its path, and in a matter of minutes it was the ocean where before there was a city.

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Post by mandolingual »

graemep wrote: post #251
toomuchtodo wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Which is why efforts by China to stand up independent cross border payment rails are important. You have to cut the US out of any ability to control activities outside of their boundaries. China, Egypt to do away with the use of the US dollar - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49555056 - September 2026 China nears launch of mBridge as alternative to Swift - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48636931 - June 202…

So the rest of the world has the option of relying on China instead? How is that better?

A small third party at the junction of two giants is infinitely more powerful than a small third party obliged to be the client of one.

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Post by xyst »

The "terrorist" definition is just anybody that doesn’t agree with this administration at this point.

They will fabricate anything to justify their thinly veiled intentions.

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Post by [deleted] »

stymaar wrote: post #86
unfocso wrote: post #12

Really sad, and also a testament of the fact that as much as we think we try to be indipendent, eventually once somebody starts putting enough pressure on the people around you (and you turn from "a neutral customer" to "a liability") the path to isolation is very short.

This. When the US government decides to label you “terrorist organization”, it means that you are now targeted by the most potent state actor on earth, which will go as far as blowing up weddings in your neighborhood to stop you. So unless you're willing to become a literal terrorist organization and die with a bunch of your friends in an uphill battle (not technically unwinnable, but at least lopsided and the casual…

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Post by estearum »

kennywinker wrote: post #188
politician wrote: post #157

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Did you catch the part where A/I Collective is operated by foreign parties outside the US?

So free speech absolutists don't care about free speech, just free speech for americans on american soil? Not very absolutist then...

"Free speech absolutists" demonstrably don't even care about free speech for Americans on American soil. "Free speech absolutism" is, in 99.9999% of cases, a euphemism for 1) holding abhorrent views and 2) being a gigantic fucking crybaby when someone criticizes you for them.

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Post by graemep »

mandolingual wrote: post #272
graemep wrote: post #251

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So the rest of the world has the option of relying on China instead? How is that better?

A small third party at the junction of two giants is infinitely more powerful than a small third party obliged to be the client of one.

Sometimes, yes. In the case of bankings systems combined with payment systems you could end up reliant on both. If the US sanctions you only people using a Chinese OS to make payments through a Chinese payment system will be unaffected and vice-versa. Either will be able to take your economy down.

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Post by mag7269 »

InsideOutSanta wrote: post #181
mag7269 wrote: post #14

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If that's what you characterize the US government as, I can only imagine what you characterize some of the other governments around the world. Particularly, from the millions of us who migrated to the US legally and willfully and who are very VERY grateful to this country for providing the opportunities people like myself could only dream-of in our former countries.

How many of these millions only had to migrate to the US because the US destroyed their countries with war, economic sanctions, covert CIA operations, or other attacks?

I don’t know, how many? You are the one throwing blanket statements.

I’m from Latin America and it’s 100% the fault of some of our own corrupt governments and us people living in those places.

Emphasis on “some,” because countries like Chile, Costa Rica, Uruguay and lately Argentina and El Salvador are showing that less government intervention in economic matters and a zero-bullshit policy on crime is how you turn things around to something that reminisces a somewhat livable country.

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Post by mag7269 »

customguy wrote: post #137
mag7269 wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If that's what you characterize the US government as, I can only imagine what you characterize some of the other governments around the world. Particularly, from the millions of us who migrated to the US legally and willfully and who are very VERY grateful to this country for providing the opportunities people like myself could only dream-of in our former countries.

If you don't see an issue with the White House constantly posting straight up Nazi memes then that's on you. There's also plenty immigrants in Europe who vote for fascists, so? Turns out you can't just leave your "former" country behind like an old coat, it's still your upbringing and horizon. You are grateful "to the country", but what does that mean while also shrugging off what the people in "the country" are sayi…

Yet billions of people would still want to come here.

How do you like them apples?

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Post by sublinear »

a2ff6eeb0 wrote: post #216
alexwebb2 wrote: post #113

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’m not familiar with A/I, but this sounds pretty damning – the ideological vetting of users in particular seems to discount any sort of neutral utility defense.

Hacker news engages in ideological vetting against users. For example, try posting content encouraging violence.

HN only (lazily) filters content. It doesn't engage in ideological vetting, and doesn't need to either.

A good amount of the commenters on this story probably would encourage violence, or at least agree with the sentiment on a different platform, yet here they are. I'm not even sure if they're real people or bots.

We are having a discussion right now that would not be allowed if there was vetting.

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Post by [deleted] »

stymaar wrote: post #86
unfocso wrote: post #12

Really sad, and also a testament of the fact that as much as we think we try to be indipendent, eventually once somebody starts putting enough pressure on the people around you (and you turn from "a neutral customer" to "a liability") the path to isolation is very short.

This. When the US government decides to label you “terrorist organization”, it means that you are now targeted by the most potent state actor on earth, which will go as far as blowing up weddings in your neighborhood to stop you. So unless you're willing to become a literal terrorist organization and die with a bunch of your friends in an uphill battle (not technically unwinnable, but at least lopsided and the casual…

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