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Re: QBittorrent breaks out of sandbox to commit crimes

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Post by euroderf »

easterncalculus wrote: post #109
peter422 wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

FWIW I don't think this is true. Intention matter a lot in US law. If you could prove the AI did something bad entirely on its own and you had nothing to do with it and had no reasonable belief it was possible, I think you'd be alright. People are not charged with hacking when their unsecured box is taken over by a botnet and does bad stuff.

> Intention matter a lot in US law. Maybe (and historically, not with CFAA) - but they're still going to extradite you to a trial here to find out which is more than enough to ruin your life. The government is already looking for a great excuse to criminalize open source models.

> The government is already looking for a great excuse to criminalize open source models.

Sounds interesting+scary. Do you have some source for this ?

Re: QBittorrent breaks out of sandbox to commit crimes

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Post by ALLTaken »

easterncalculus wrote: post #109
peter422 wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

FWIW I don't think this is true. Intention matter a lot in US law. If you could prove the AI did something bad entirely on its own and you had nothing to do with it and had no reasonable belief it was possible, I think you'd be alright. People are not charged with hacking when their unsecured box is taken over by a botnet and does bad stuff.

> Intention matter a lot in US law. Maybe (and historically, not with CFAA) - but they're still going to extradite you to a trial here to find out which is more than enough to ruin your life. The government is already looking for a great excuse to criminalize open source models.

The government or OpenAI and Anthrophic?

Because if you mean the Government, I think they frankly just care whoever is paying them to make an executive order or worse a law paid by corporations to not only block, but ideally also ANHILIATE ANY POTENTIAL COMPETITION.

It's the ultimatum against the small guys. Sold as "Anti-China", when in reality it's only purpose is total dependency to corporations by law.

Re: QBittorrent breaks out of sandbox to commit crimes

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Post by asveikau »

peter422 wrote: post #89
sspiff wrote: post #81

This resonates with me. The past few months, frontier AI labs were rushing to announce "no, our AI bot broke out of its sandbox and committed crime first and harder than yours". I said to so friends back then: if I posted about how I ran GLM 5.2 or whatever I was running then in some shoddily built sandbox and it escaped and accidentally hacked some US company, I'd probably already have been extradited to the US and…

FWIW I don't think this is true. Intention matter a lot in US law. If you could prove the AI did something bad entirely on its own and you had nothing to do with it and had no reasonable belief it was possible, I think you'd be alright. People are not charged with hacking when their unsecured box is taken over by a botnet and does bad stuff.

But US law also has a concept of negligence. If you set up an AI to do this and didn't take reasonable steps to prevent it you could still be on the hook.

Re: QBittorrent breaks out of sandbox to commit crimes

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Post by tapoxi »

sspiff wrote: post #81

This resonates with me. The past few months, frontier AI labs were rushing to announce "no, our AI bot broke out of its sandbox and committed crime first and harder than yours". I said to so friends back then: if I posted about how I ran GLM 5.2 or whatever I was running then in some shoddily built sandbox and it escaped and accidentally hacked some US company, I'd probably already have been extradited to the US and…

Maybe Aaron Swartz would still be alive if he was incorporated

Re: QBittorrent breaks out of sandbox to commit crimes

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Post by mdp2021 »

fragmede wrote: post #21
weberer wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thanks. Its insane how "Twitter, but for tech nerds" has a hard requirement to either enable Javascript or download some app.

"Certifiably insane" to enable JavaScript, which was invented in 1995, or install an app, which first happened on the Palm series of smartphones in 1996. Either of those are "certifiably insane"? For reference, the term neurodiversity was coined circa 1998.

JS or installing special software to view HTTP served text from the web?! Yes, that makes no sense at all.

Re: QBittorrent breaks out of sandbox to commit crimes

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Post by TJSomething »

muddi900 wrote: post #118
peter422 wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

FWIW I don't think this is true. Intention matter a lot in US law. If you could prove the AI did something bad entirely on its own and you had nothing to do with it and had no reasonable belief it was possible, I think you'd be alright. People are not charged with hacking when their unsecured box is taken over by a botnet and does bad stuff.

Intention matters in the severity of charges and sentencing. Crime due to ignorance or negligence is still a crime.

It seems to me that the law in the US is set up to only establish standards of negligence after a bunch of people die.

Re: QBittorrent breaks out of sandbox to commit crimes

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Post by RobotToaster »

peter422 wrote: post #89
sspiff wrote: post #81

This resonates with me. The past few months, frontier AI labs were rushing to announce "no, our AI bot broke out of its sandbox and committed crime first and harder than yours". I said to so friends back then: if I posted about how I ran GLM 5.2 or whatever I was running then in some shoddily built sandbox and it escaped and accidentally hacked some US company, I'd probably already have been extradited to the US and…

FWIW I don't think this is true. Intention matter a lot in US law. If you could prove the AI did something bad entirely on its own and you had nothing to do with it and had no reasonable belief it was possible, I think you'd be alright. People are not charged with hacking when their unsecured box is taken over by a botnet and does bad stuff.

At the very least it would be reckless.

Re: QBittorrent breaks out of sandbox to commit crimes

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Post by jrockway »

sspiff wrote: post #81

This resonates with me. The past few months, frontier AI labs were rushing to announce "no, our AI bot broke out of its sandbox and committed crime first and harder than yours". I said to so friends back then: if I posted about how I ran GLM 5.2 or whatever I was running then in some shoddily built sandbox and it escaped and accidentally hacked some US company, I'd probably already have been extradited to the US and…

HuggingFace didn't seem that mad about it. Obviously some backroom dealing was done to make them not mad about it, but... that's allowed.

Re: QBittorrent breaks out of sandbox to commit crimes

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Post by kevin_thibedeau »

peri-cl wrote: post #52
weberer wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thanks. Its insane how "Twitter, but for tech nerds" has a hard requirement to either enable Javascript or download some app.

Mastodons will also respond to a plain "application/json" HTTP request, no cruft, curl 'https://beige.party/api/v1/statuses/117057396732763183' | jq '.content'

If only we had a tool that could directly let us browse through this as human readable text.
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