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Post by strictnein »

NostraDavid wrote: post #126
dd8601fn wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sounds like providing encrypted communications? I think we can all see the potential problems with this, even if a specific group is awful. “The specific claim: a far-left media group that describes itself as a “tool” for militants to share information “to be acted upon” used A/I’s services to publish communiqués and calls to action for U.S.-designated terrorist groups, including FAI/FRI, the IRGC, Hamas, Hizballah,…

> Hizballah Is that Hezbollah's little brother?

Hizballah and Hezbollah are different spellings of the same thing, with Hizballah probably being more accurate and the one regularly used by the US government.

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Post by politician »

msm_ wrote: post #75
SkyeCA wrote: post #53

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IRGC, Hamas, Hizballah and maybe others are far right organizations, so I don't think this is purely left/right. And what about signal? I am pretty sure many violent/terrorist groups use it too. I don't have an opinion about this group, because I didn't even know it existed. But, like often with things related to the free speech, I think this topic is more complex than you make it out to be.

No one believes pro-Hamas activists in the US are voting for Trump.

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Post by Arainach »

politician wrote: post #157
flohofwoe wrote: post #117

Hmm, I would have expected more outrage from the US "free speech absolutists" over this US government decision ;)

Did you catch the part where A/I Collective is operated by foreign parties outside the US?

If you believe in civil liberties as rights and ideals, your belief shouldn't stop at borders.

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Post by SpicyLemonZest »

strictnein wrote: post #154
coldpie wrote: post #85

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The US Republican party has been inventing an increasingly elaborate alternate reality fiction in order to convince their voters to keep voting for policy positions that obviously work against those voters' own interests. One component of this alternate reality is a fictional terrorist organization called "antifa." They claim that anyone who does not align with their policies is a member of this organization. This al…

> "They claim that anyone who does not align with their policies is a member of this organization" No one is claiming that Amy Klobuchar or Gavin Newsom is a member of antifa.

You're just not confronting reality, man. The President of the United States personally called for Gavin Newsom to be arrested in June 2025. In September of that year, in response to Newsom's post calling Gestapo chief Stephen Miller a fascist, Miller went on TV to complain that nobody is allowed to call him a fascist and Newsom was encouraging violence by doing so.

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Post by [deleted] »

kennywinker wrote: post #166
alexwebb2 wrote: post #113

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I’m not familiar with A/I, but this sounds pretty damning – the ideological vetting of users in particular seems to discount any sort of neutral utility defense.

Ideologically vetting can mean a lot of things. Like, a sign on the door that says "NO TERFS" is a form of ideological vetting. By this logic any right wing message board would be designated terrorists the moment one person who has posted there commits a violent act. This is meant to chill domestic left-wing activism. Just like the person who got 30 years for delivering some zines ( https://freedom.press/issues/texas…

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Post by aetch »

SkyeCA wrote: post #53
dd8601fn wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sounds like providing encrypted communications? I think we can all see the potential problems with this, even if a specific group is awful. “The specific claim: a far-left media group that describes itself as a “tool” for militants to share information “to be acted upon” used A/I’s services to publish communiqués and calls to action for U.S.-designated terrorist groups, including FAI/FRI, the IRGC, Hamas, Hizballah,…

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The traitors in power in the U.S. use signal and no one cheers for signal to be shut down

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Post by grumple »

kennywinker wrote: post #166
alexwebb2 wrote: post #113

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’m not familiar with A/I, but this sounds pretty damning – the ideological vetting of users in particular seems to discount any sort of neutral utility defense.

Ideologically vetting can mean a lot of things. Like, a sign on the door that says "NO TERFS" is a form of ideological vetting. By this logic any right wing message board would be designated terrorists the moment one person who has posted there commits a violent act. This is meant to chill domestic left-wing activism. Just like the person who got 30 years for delivering some zines ( https://freedom.press/issues/texas…

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Post by stanleykm »

Grombobulous wrote: post #129
ceejayoz wrote: post #112

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> A/I knowingly provided services to groups that verifiably did some rather violent things they are accused of If that's disqualifying, a lot of US government contractors are in trouble.

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well depends on if you are in the group the state is wielding that power for or not..

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Post by Dansvidania »

I have no way to verify whether the collective really helped the violent acts that are cited in the designation[1] but, as an Italian, given the dialectic and rhetoric in their statements and in their websites, it would not surprise me if this once they - the US government - were not wrong. "A broken clock marks the right time twice a day" and all that.

I have experienced this kind of language personally back when the collective started (they have root in the no-global movement, a protest group that contributed to the violence at the Genova G8).

At the time I was a young activist on their side, but the 'we are not violent' wink-wink nudge-nudge attitude was not main stream but very much all over the place and became hard to ignore.

[1]https://www.state.gov/releases/office-of-the-spokesperson/20...

edit: forgot the link to the designation

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