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Post by beej71 »

ceejayoz wrote: post #112
Grombobulous wrote: post #108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Here’s the thing though: if even some of the examples given in the state department page are true (some of them are rather silly), that A/I knowingly provided services to groups that verifiably did some rather violent things they are accused of, I’m not sure how they expected to hide behind their mission. My impression is that they didn’t say “hey we don’t have customer information but we don’t service violent groups…

> A/I knowingly provided services to groups that verifiably did some rather violent things they are accused of If that's disqualifying, a lot of US government contractors are in trouble.

Or J6.

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Post by NostraDavid »

lukan wrote: post #36
elmer2 wrote: post #22

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"They promoted and hosted violent/terrorist activity." What kind exactly?

https://www.state.gov/releases/office-of-the-spokesperson/20...

Check the near the bottom. Some are named, such as Armed Proletarian Justice, Revolutionary Class Self-Defense, and Jane’s Revenge, but some unnamed ones as well (at least their actions have been described).

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Post by mc32 »

ipython wrote: post #105
mc32 wrote: post #100

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Let me fix that for you. Lots of maga are idealists (even if their ideas are not based in the real world), a number of them are LARPers and a small number are hard core intent on eliminating “the enemy”. To think that no maga member is violent and entertains violent options, is denying reality. Also it’s disingenuous to think they are all out of their minds looking to overthrow the government. Many just have ideals t…

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Post by iwontberude »

bpavuk wrote: post #60
toomuchtodo wrote: post #43

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Which is why efforts by China to stand up independent cross border payment rails are important. You have to cut the US out of any ability to control activities outside of their boundaries. China, Egypt to do away with the use of the US dollar - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49555056 - September 2026 China nears launch of mBridge as alternative to Swift - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48636931 - June 202…

and Europe. Europe should also decouple itself from the U.S. as much as it is possible, and not repeat the mistake of overreliance with China. not because China is somehow worse, but because you always should be able to say "no", no matter how good your partners are

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Post by NostraDavid »

dd8601fn wrote: post #35
matt123456789 wrote: post #15

What did they do??

Sounds like providing encrypted communications? I think we can all see the potential problems with this, even if a specific group is awful. “The specific claim: a far-left media group that describes itself as a “tool” for militants to share information “to be acted upon” used A/I’s services to publish communiqués and calls to action for U.S.-designated terrorist groups, including FAI/FRI, the IRGC, Hamas, Hizballah,…

> Hizballah

Is that Hezbollah's little brother?

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Post by toomuchtodo »

swiftcoder wrote: post #76
RonanSoleste wrote: post #67

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Europe is decoupling itself all ready also. Using SEPA-Inst and wero.

Unfortunately decoupling payments within the EU is insufficient if the US can just threaten to sanction your bank, and in doing so force the bank to drop you as a customer. Even in the presence of an internal European payments network, those banks still need to transact with the US and other US-sphere countries...

For now, but not forever. Skate to where the puck is going to be. Decoupling continues, with the target being independence. Quote this comment five years from now.

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Post by Grombobulous »

ceejayoz wrote: post #112
Grombobulous wrote: post #108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Here’s the thing though: if even some of the examples given in the state department page are true (some of them are rather silly), that A/I knowingly provided services to groups that verifiably did some rather violent things they are accused of, I’m not sure how they expected to hide behind their mission. My impression is that they didn’t say “hey we don’t have customer information but we don’t service violent groups…

> A/I knowingly provided services to groups that verifiably did some rather violent things they are accused of If that's disqualifying, a lot of US government contractors are in trouble.

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Post by pepperoni_pizza »

Grombobulous wrote: post #108
sph wrote: post #55

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Like trying to scrutinize the motives of a complete lunatic.

Here’s the thing though: if even some of the examples given in the state department page are true (some of them are rather silly), that A/I knowingly provided services to groups that verifiably did some rather violent things they are accused of, I’m not sure how they expected to hide behind their mission. My impression is that they didn’t say “hey we don’t have customer information but we don’t service violent groups…

> “we designed this to be anonymous and specifically intend/expect for it to be used in any way regardless of legality and are okay with it.”

That is also what Signal does. Or absolutely any end-to-end encrypted communication service at all - these are explicitly designed not to retain details of communication.

Do you want to declare them terrorists too?

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