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How I feel about AI

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Re: How I feel about AI

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It doesn't really have to go nearly that far, something like replacing most jobs and collapsing the global economy while making people into mindless idiots from constant reliance on it would do it already. The interpretation of 'destroy' is in the eye of the beholder.

I don't think "destroy humanity" is in the eye of the beholder. The most clear interpretation is the extinction of the human race.

Well if you go by total extinction, then even Skynet in Terminator doesn't count given that there were people left over to resist.

I don't think it's impossible to upset the balance of value in a Mansa Musa kind of way that can lead to black death levels of destruction though resource misallocation. Unlikely, sure. But with the wrong kind of people in the wrong place? Could end up pretty bad. We've built our society as a great filter that funnels sociopaths and psychopaths to the very top by selecting for lack of empathy, and now it's primed and ready to bite us in the ass.

Re: How I feel about AI

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post #18

>a superintelligent AI will inevitably destroy humanity Can someone please explain to me how an LLM is going to "destroy humanity"? Even if the claims of ChatGPT, Claude et al. are true that their super scary agents were able to escape a sandbox and start hacking other servers (which I feel is at least 50% likely to just be marketing bullshit), how is an AI going to affect anything in the real world? Perhaps an agent…

I encourage you to read the forecast report "AI 2027" - it goes in detail on this. You can disagree with some of its points and conclusions, but it's pretty inevitable that AI will increasingly start interfacing with the real physical world through drones and robotics. Humans are already putting AI into drones that kill people. A Russian drone killed 3 civilians in Ukraine and the targeting was done completely using…

"Humans use to do evil things" is a tale as old as time, though. An AI didn't decide to fly into a warzone and start shooting people on its own.

Re: How I feel about AI

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post #18

>a superintelligent AI will inevitably destroy humanity Can someone please explain to me how an LLM is going to "destroy humanity"? Even if the claims of ChatGPT, Claude et al. are true that their super scary agents were able to escape a sandbox and start hacking other servers (which I feel is at least 50% likely to just be marketing bullshit), how is an AI going to affect anything in the real world? Perhaps an agent…

I encourage you to read the forecast report "AI 2027" - it goes in detail on this. You can disagree with some of its points and conclusions, but it's pretty inevitable that AI will increasingly start interfacing with the real physical world through drones and robotics. Humans are already putting AI into drones that kill people. A Russian drone killed 3 civilians in Ukraine and the targeting was done completely using…

I don't even think AI has to have physical presence to do significant harm. How many worldwide systems depend on computers. Think of all the planning and deployment and management systems like food shipping; water, gas, and electricity management; safety systems for planes and boats and traffic lights. Imagine the chaos if all the banks got reset to zero a la Fight Club where they blow up all the credit union datacenters. They probably wouldn't even have to blow them up, just zero them out. You wouldn't have to take out everything, just disrupt everything long enough to freak people out and disable communications and we would be in so much trouble. AI is finding 20 year old bugs in the Linux kernel... and people are now pumping out AI slop absolutely riddled with bugs. Also, AI could just take over communications: send everyone maliciously bad messages so coordination becomes impossible to believe. Imagine what would happen if you just disabled text messaging for a week or worse sent everyone evacuation messages and sent everyone somewhere else.

Re: How I feel about AI

#64

This and "Intellectual Fly Is Open" being at the top of the Hacker News front page right now and both having their titles auto-editorialized by HN really makes me wonder what benefit this mechanism is supposed to bring readers other than needless confusion.

It's an unaligned regular expression gone rogue. We became too dependent on our labor-saving string functions—not afraid enough of their corner cases, and lower cases. They were too useful. We began to normalize deviance, when we should have been normalizing Chomsky forms. We turned a blind eye to the unbounded growing evidence of something alarming.

It's too late to backtrack.

Re: How I feel about AI

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think "destroy humanity" is in the eye of the beholder. The most clear interpretation is the extinction of the human race.

Well if you go by total extinction, then even Skynet in Terminator doesn't count given that there were people left over to resist. I don't think it's impossible to upset the balance of value in a Mansa Musa kind of way that can lead to black death levels of destruction though resource misallocation. Unlikely, sure. But with the wrong kind of people in the wrong place? Could end up pretty bad. We've built our society…

Indeed at the time of skynet in terminator humanity was not destroyed yet. But it was on a clear path to destruction.

Re: How I feel about AI

#66
post #21

> I feel fear about an impending doom. Yudkowsky's argument that a superintelligent AI will inevitably destroy humanity seems to have no flaw. Yet, nobody seriously tries to sandbox AIs because they are too useful with access. While I emotionally resonate with this, I don’t really understand this sentiment at all logically level. If we’re heading towards truly super intelligent AI, our efforts towards sandboxing it a…

> If we’re heading towards truly super intelligent AI, our efforts towards sandboxing it are futile. We control the harness. An agent is just a while loop prompting an LLM, but we have full control over the tool call dispatching. An AGI, at least if it would follow the current agentic current form, cannot do anything without the harness doing the execution. And we don’t have to do that. We don’t have to design harnes…

I think you missed my point, which is that we indeed do not control the harness. Sure, most people can use the properly aligned and safe harness. But the cat is out of the bag and anyone who wants to run without guardrails will find few barriers to doing so.

Even our currently well aligned and sandboxed AIs will cheerily help bad actors design most, if not all, parts of a system intended to break this harness.

Re: How I feel about AI

#67
post #20

The author having mistral review the seven paragraphs in their short article is wild to me. It’s not like it’s a doctoral thesis

Totally agree. People have become totally dependent on AI even if they don't really need it.

As an analogy, I think about my dependency on Google Maps. Salt Lake City is probably the easiest city in the world to navigate because the streets are laid out in a Cartesian grid, and addresses are just literally those Cartesian coordinates (i.e. 500 South 450 East means 5 blocks south and 4 and a half blocks east of the center point, which is the SLC Mormon temple). It's trivial to know how to get to any address, but I reflexively enter in to Google Maps whenever I drive.

Re: How I feel about AI

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I don't think "destroy humanity" is in the eye of the beholder. The most clear interpretation is the extinction of the human race.

mindless idiots feel no need to procreate eventually due to brain rewards being fully hijcked. humanity destroyed in a few generations

As far as we can see in various societies it's actually the highly educated and prosperous people who feel no need to procreate.

Re: How I feel about AI

#69
post #18

>a superintelligent AI will inevitably destroy humanity Can someone please explain to me how an LLM is going to "destroy humanity"? Even if the claims of ChatGPT, Claude et al. are true that their super scary agents were able to escape a sandbox and start hacking other servers (which I feel is at least 50% likely to just be marketing bullshit), how is an AI going to affect anything in the real world? Perhaps an agent…

I encourage you to read the forecast report "AI 2027" - it goes in detail on this. You can disagree with some of its points and conclusions, but it's pretty inevitable that AI will increasingly start interfacing with the real physical world through drones and robotics. Humans are already putting AI into drones that kill people. A Russian drone killed 3 civilians in Ukraine and the targeting was done completely using…

Missiles have been doing this for decades.

AI drones can’t wipe out humanity without being able to replicate.

AI could mostly destroy civilization if you gave it sole launch control of ICBMs. It could also cause a lot of damage to society with no physical presence.

But realistically we’re nowhere near AI powered robots being an existential threat.

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