Even the largest 100GB disk seems too small nowadays
Yeah we need cheaper, consumer friendly, tape technology.
Major market gap for sure.
M-DISC – DVD/Blu-ray compatible discs that may last up to 1000 years
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Re: M-DISC – DVD/Blu-ray compatible discs that may last up to 1000 years
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Re: M-DISC – DVD/Blu-ray compatible discs that may last up to 1000 years
#43Earlier quoted context omitted.
> 100 years is long enough, and 1000 years was always a wild-ass theoretical abstraction. The software will be an issue before the hardware anyway inevitably
Include the source (don't use proprietary stuff), and keep it simple. That should not be an issue in this age.
I think more & more that hobbyists need to keep air gapped old-OS/hardware machines in the garage to manage this kind of stuff.
Otherwise you quickly run into connectivity / driver / application / OS compatibility hassles trying to get even 10-20 year old stuff from our own lifetime experience to run.
I'm not sure how we expect our great-grandchildren to figure out how to get data off a disc/drive in 100 years.
I can look at a film strip or print from my grandfather or play his records more easily than I can run software from my own childhood.
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#44Earlier quoted context omitted.
AWS Glacier is mostly just LTO done for you with exponentially less risk.
The risk is they get bored and retire it / retention terms start to get iffy / they 100x prices.
Or their AI chatbot decides you smell funny and bans you forever with 0 chance of appealing to a human
Re: M-DISC – DVD/Blu-ray compatible discs that may last up to 1000 years
#45Earlier quoted context omitted.
The risk is they get bored and retire it / retention terms start to get iffy / they 100x prices.
Or their AI chatbot decides you smell funny and bans you forever with 0 chance of appealing to a human
Right thats the much more likely issue! Some Google-like reaction in the future where using service X (chat/mail/whatever) from Amazon results in being banned across an entire account which also happens to be the account you wrote all your data to AWS Glacier with for 30 years... oops!
Re: M-DISC – DVD/Blu-ray compatible discs that may last up to 1000 years
#46I wonder why every types of discs seem to be entering a de facto deprecated state over the last ~10 years, especially inorganic types are. Is it simply because everyone's on Netflix? Or could it be environmental/material cost issues? I believe these discs are made by transferring materials by vaporizing them in a series of big vacuum chambers, maybe those materials are toxic and/or China dominated and nobody wants to…
I haven't had a CD or DVD drive on any of my devices for 15 years now. They are obsolete. I have 2 TB on a NAS. How many DVDs is that?
Re: M-DISC – DVD/Blu-ray compatible discs that may last up to 1000 years
#47Verbatim, who owns M-Disc, doesn't even manufacture discs anymore. They just slap their brand on other peoples discs. The discs sold as M-Discs now are actually just MABL BD-R's. They used to have a 'stone' data layer. Now they use a titanium metal data layer. MABL discs were always designed to last for about 100 years, and are orders of magnitude cheaper. 100 years is long enough, and 1000 years was always a wild-as…
A German news site reached out to Verbatim about this and got the response that the discs are still M-Discs and will still last 1,000 years: https://www.heise.de/news/Langzeitarchivierung-Verwirrung-um...
> Verbatim clarified that these discs were advancements. The technical changes resulted in a different appearance and the ability for higher burning speeds, the changed media-ID was due to an adaptation with regard to other Verbatim products. Verbatim had already shipped the first modified media in early 2022. The data security of the new discs is not inferior to that of the old discs: Data should also last 1000 years, according to the manufacturer.
I'm not sure what you mean by "Verbatim just slaps their brand on other people's discs". Verbatim used to be owned by Mitsubishi Chemical Media, and was sold to CMC Magnetics in 2020. The only two manufacturers I see on that page for Verbatim discs are Mitsubishi Chemical Media and CMC Magnetics.
Re: M-DISC – DVD/Blu-ray compatible discs that may last up to 1000 years
#48Earlier quoted context omitted.
Include the source (don't use proprietary stuff), and keep it simple. That should not be an issue in this age.
I think more & more that hobbyists need to keep air gapped old-OS/hardware machines in the garage to manage this kind of stuff. Otherwise you quickly run into connectivity / driver / application / OS compatibility hassles trying to get even 10-20 year old stuff from our own lifetime experience to run. I'm not sure how we expect our great-grandchildren to figure out how to get data off a disc/drive in 100 years. I can…
surely AI will just recode the entire system in minutes?
Re: M-DISC – DVD/Blu-ray compatible discs that may last up to 1000 years
#49Earlier quoted context omitted.
I think more & more that hobbyists need to keep air gapped old-OS/hardware machines in the garage to manage this kind of stuff. Otherwise you quickly run into connectivity / driver / application / OS compatibility hassles trying to get even 10-20 year old stuff from our own lifetime experience to run. I'm not sure how we expect our great-grandchildren to figure out how to get data off a disc/drive in 100 years. I can…
surely AI will just recode the entire system in minutes?
Yes, AI will simply vibe code drivers for devices it can't talk to in order to read formats it can't read
More likely it will just hallucinate content that plausibly could be on the disc and display that for the unwitting